Hi Ryan,

I can't recall any particular reason to avoid including dataCast1 in the Data instance for poly-kinded datatypes. Have you tried applying the example in #4028 to a poly-kinded datatype? It might be that it was done simply to avoid forcing the kind of the parameter to be *, and hence losing the polymorphism (possibly at the price of losing generic function extension).

I'm not aware of a way to define dataCast1 without the Data context. Then again, I think it's only used for generic function extension (ext1Q and friends); can you find a way to make that work without the Data constraint?


Cheers,
Pedro

On 23 February 2017 at 19:51, Ryan Scott <ryan.gl.scott@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Pedro,

I'm quite confused by a peculiarity of deriving Data (more info in
Trac #13327 [1]). In particular, if you write this:

    data T phantom = T
      deriving Data

Then the derived Data instance is NOT this:

    instance Typeable phantom => Data (T phantom) where
      ...

But instead, it's this:

    instance Data phantom => Data (T phantom) where
      ...
      dataCast1 f = gcast1 f

The gcast1 part is why it requires the stronger (Data phantom)
context, as you noted in Trac #4028 [2].

What confuses me, however, is that is apparently does not carry over
to poly-kinded datatypes. For instance, if you write this:

    data T (phantom :: k) = T
      deriving Data

Then you do NOT get this instance:

    instance Data (phantom :: *) => Data (T phantom) where
      ...
      dataCast1 f = gcast1 f

But instead, you get this instance!

    instance (Typeable k, Typeable (phantom :: k)) => Data (T phantom) where
      ...
      -- No implementation for dataCast1

This is quite surprising to me. I'm not knowledgeable enough about
Data to know for sure if this is an oversight, expected behavior, or
something else, so I was hoping you (or someone else highly
knowledgeable about SYB-style generic programming) could help me out
here.

In particular:

1. Does emitting "dataCast1 f = gcast1 f" for datatypes of kind (k ->
*) make sense? Or does it only make sense for types of kind (* -> *)?
2. Is there an alternate way to define dataCast1 that doesn't require
the stronger Data context, but instead only requires the more general
Typeable context?

Ryan S.
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[1] https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/13327
[2] https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/4028#comment:5