> ø I don't follow the "at" and "type B a". "Behavior a" itself is a
> time function. At least in the version of the code that was
> developed in Pual Hudak's Haskell School of Expression it was defined
> as:
>
>> newtype Behavior a
>> = Behavior (([Maybe UserAction],[Time]) -> [a])
>
> In a function like time you can see that the "at" function makes things simpler.
>
> In the original version time was defined as:
>
>> time :: Behavior Time
>> time = Behavior (\(_,ts) -> ts)
>
> In Conal's paper
>
> time :: Behavior Time
> at time = id
>
> Comparing the two implementation of the time, it seems to me that "at"
> and "type B a" has put the design on a more solid ground. But I don't
> quite understand the thought process, or the principal behind what is
> happening.
>
> daryoush
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Ryan Ingram <
ryani.spam@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Here's a quick overview that might help you.
>>
>> For a reactive behavior, we have two types to think about:
>>
>> type B a = Time -> a
>> (the semantic domain)
>>
>> data Behavior a = ?
>> (the library's implementation).
>> at :: Behavior a -> B a
>> (observation function)
>>
>> This is really just classic "information hiding" as you would do with
>> any abstract data type. Consider a simple "stack" data structure that
>> supports push and pop.
>>
>>> data S a = S
>>> { popS :: Maybe (a, S a)
>>> , pushS :: a -> S a
>>> }
>>
>>> data Stack a = ?
>>> observeStack :: Stack a -> S a
>>
>> As a library user, you don't really care about the implementation of
>> Stack, just as a user of Conal's library doesn't really care about the
>> implementation of Behavior. What you *do* care about is that you can
>> think about it in the simpler terms of "Time -> a" which is the model
>> he has chosen.
>>
>> The rest of the library design comes from taking that model and
>> thinking about what typeclasses and operations "Time -> a" should
>> support, and creating typeclass morphisms between Behavior a and B a
>> where necessary. For example:
>>
>>> -- This makes (r -> a) into a functor over a; it is a generalization of Time -> a
>>> instance Functor ((->) r) where
>>> -- fmap :: (a -> b) -> (r -> a) -> (r -> b)
>>> fmap f x = \r -> f (x r)
>>> -- or, "fmap = (.)", if you're golfing :)
>>
>> In order for the morphism between B and Behavior to make sense, you
>> want this law to hold:
>> fmap f (at behavior) = at (fmap f behavior)
>> for all behavior :: Behavior a.
>>
>> The fmap on the left applies to B which is (Time ->); the fmap on the
>> right applies to Behavior.
>>
>> Conal writes this law more elegantly like this:
>>> instance(semantic) Functor Behavior where
>>> fmap f . at = at . fmap f
>>
>> As long as you as the user can think about behaviors generally as
>> functions of Time, you can ignore the implementation details, and
>> things that you expect to work should work. This drives the design of
>> the entire library, with similar morphisms over many typeclasses
>> between Event and E, Reactive and B, etc.
>>
>> -- ryan
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 10:13 AM, Daryoush Mehrtash <
dmehrtash@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Interestingly, I was trying to read his paper when I realized that I
>>> needed to figure out the meaning of denotational model, semantic
>>> domain, semantic functions. Other Haskell books didn't talk about
>>> design in those terms, but obviously for him this is how he is driving
>>> his design. I am looking for a simpler tutorial, text book like
>>> reference on the topic.
>>>
>>> Daryoush
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 1:33 AM, Ryan Ingram <
ryani.spam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I recommend reading Conal Elliott's "Efficient Functional Reactivity"
>>>> paper for an in-depth real-world example.
>>>>
>>>>
http://www.conal.net/papers/simply-reactive
>>>>
>>>> -- ryan
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 11:31 AM, Daryoush Mehrtash <
dmehrtash@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> I have been told that for a Haskell/Functional programmer the process
>>>>> of design starts with defining Semantic Domain, Function, and
>>>>> denotational model of the problem. I have done some googling on the
>>>>> topic but haven't found a good reference on it. I would appreciate
>>>>> any good references on the topic.
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> daryoush
>>>>>
>>>>> ps. I have found referneces like
>>>>>
http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Haskell/Denotational_semantics which
>>>>> talks about semantic domain for "the Haskell programs 10, 9+1, 2*5"
>>>>> which doesn't do any good for me. I need something with a more real
>>>>> examples.
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