Tom,

Look, I don't want to debate syntax and semantics here, but "burning need/desire/ambition" etc (https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/burning+desire) is an extremely common colloquialism that doesn't imply an emergency, just a strongly felt urge.  I can't apologize for my wording, but I'm sorry for the situation nonetheless. 

It's now seeming more just like a desire for the package name.

I'm going to look at `toml-parser` in the meantime, but no toml library does what I have in mind (namely a full fledged implementation of the spec, streaming, deriving etc.), nor do many of them provide bidirectional serialization save `tomland`. To reiterate Carter's point, hackage names are a community resource, and they deserve to be thought through carefully, so yes, the package name is part of the request. I do alot of community service to make sure things that take up precious Hackage real-estate are treated well, which is why `toml` posed an opportunity. 

To that point, anything you put out is something I am interested in investing time and effort into making a standard. Do you have any code currently, or is this a TODO on your list? Going through your hackage libraries, I see no source repository listings, issue trackers, or even an email to reach you by.

- E


On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 12:56 AM, <amindfv@mailbox.org> wrote:

On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 05:27:57AM +0000, Emily Pillmore wrote:

Tom,

I have been eyeing a remake of this package for a long time for some of my projects. To be clear: there is no fire that needs to be put out, but I do have a need. The package has been out of commission for 7 years, and there are certainly no relevant downstream dependencies at this point. Do you have a source repository or existing code that I could see or make use of in the interim period between now and a release?

Again, trying to be respectful here, but "burning" kinda does imply "fire," and "need" certainly does imply "need." It's now seeming more just like a desire for the package name.

If you're looking for a modern TOML parser asap, I'd recommend one of these popular ones:

https://hackage.haskell.org/package/htoml
https://hackage.haskell.org/package/tomland
https://hackage.haskell.org/package/toml-parser

The last one is probably most similar to the `toml` package. It's great. `htoml` was also based on `toml`.

If none of these fits the bill, there are more on Hackage.

Tom

I'm genuinely surprised there was someone else made maintainer of the package without a public takeover. When/how did this happen? Did I miss the takeover announcement? Carter and I were looking into this in February of last year, and the need arose again, so I brought it up today.

Thanks,

E

On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 12:09 AM, < amindfv@mailbox.org > wrote:

On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 11:43:14PM -0500, Carter Schonwald wrote:

Are you talking about tomland ??

No, I'm talking about https:/ / hackage. haskell. org/ package/ toml ( https://hackage.haskell.org/package/toml ).

There’s no GitHub url on the toml package from 2014 ...

I think the main priority here is having a canonically good toml lib for the community, in a good name space, That meets our needs robustly (I think emily has some interesting AND WORTHY uses in mind).

Can you share the dev repo?

To be clear: this is in the context hackage is a public commons and its name space is a resource. Do you have any immediate plans/needs for that specific package name?

If not, we promise to give some excellent code a great home in the toml name space if you hand it over. Everyone will be happy and joyous at the resulting work that emily will facilitate. And dogs will dance in the streets and children will smile.

Respectfully, this conversation started because of the claim "I have a burning need." I actually cancelled a plan I had tonight because I wanted to be sure I could be responsive if there was some system going down because of e.g. an outdated set of dependencies. Now the discussion is about how "toml" is a nice name and there are interesting ideas for as-yet unwritten code.

If there really is a burning need, I'm still around. Otherwise I'm feeling a bit duped.

Tom

If you still have any residual concerns, emily and I are happy to hop on a video chat to solve worries therof.

Cheers!

-Carter

On Thu, Mar 11 , 2021 at 11:15 PM amindfv@ mailbox. org ( amindfv@mailbox.org ) < amindfv@ mailbox. org ( amindfv@mailbox.org ) > wrote:

I'm in the middle of a package overhaul. If there's a burning need for fixes please get in touch (off-list?) and let me know what you need.

Thanks,
Tom

On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 10:36:27PM -0500, Carter Schonwald wrote:

If you’re the maintainer of
https:/ / hackage. haskell. org/ package/ toml (
https://hackage.haskell.org/package/toml ) could you give emily

maintainer /

upload perms ? It really needs a new lead :) 2014 is a long time ago

(I co wrote the email to spiros way back when. Any progress on this would be great)

On Thu, Mar 11 , 2021 at 10:05 PM amindfv--- via Haskell-Cafe < haskell-cafe@ haskell. org ( haskell-cafe@haskell.org ) > wrote:

On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 02:13:12AM +0000, Emily Pillmore wrote:

To whom it may concern,

I'd like to take over maintenance of the package `toml`. I have a

burning need. I tried to contact Spiros a year ago, but no response

has

come. The last release was 2017, and it's safe to say the package is totally abandoned. My hackage user is topos.

Hi, I'm a maintainer of `toml`. What do you need?

Tom

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