I think you may have interpreted me as saying something I didn't try to say.

To clarify, what I was indicating was that during the compilation of your 'DodgyFloat' supplying package a bunch of warnings about unimplemented methods would scroll by.

-Edward


On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 8:06 PM, Edward Kmett <ekmett@gmail.com> wrote:
This does work.

MINIMAL is checked based on the definitions supplied locally in the instance, not based on the total definitions that contribute to the instance.

Otherwise we couldn't have the very poster-chid example of this from the documentation for MINIMAL
class Eq a where
    (==) :: a -> a -> Bool
    (/=) :: a -> a -> Bool
    x == y = not (x /= y)
    x /= y = not (x == y)
    {-# MINIMAL (==) | (/=) #-}


On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 7:57 PM, John Lato <jwlato@gmail.com> wrote:
There's one part of this alternative proposal I don't understand:

On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 5:04 AM, Edward Kmett <ekmett@gmail.com> wrote:

* If you can compile sans warnings you have nothing to fear. If you do get warnings, you can know precisely what types will have degraded back to the old precision at compile time, not runtime.

I don't understand the mechanism by which this happens (maybe I'm misunderstanding the MINIMAL pragma?).  If a module has e.g.

> import DodgyFloat (DodgyFloat) -- defined in a 3rd-party package, doesn't implement log1p etc.
>
> x = log1p 1e-10 :: DodgyFloat

I don't understand why this would generate a warning (i.e. I don't believe it will generate a warning).  So the user is in the same situation as with the original proposal.

John L.


On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 5:24 AM, Aleksey Khudyakov <alexey.skladnoy@gmail.com> wrote:
On 21 April 2014 09:38, John Lato <jwlato@gmail.com> wrote:
> I was just wondering, why not simply numerically robust algorithms as
> defaults for these functions?  No crashes, no errors, no loss of precision,
> everything would just work.  They aren't particularly complicated, so the
> performance should even be reasonable.
>
I think it's best option. log1p and exp1m come with guarantees
about precision. log(1+p) default makes it impossible to depend in such
guarantees. They will silenly give wrong answer