(I'm broadening the discussion to include haskell-cafe.)

Andy -- What do you mean by "handling all thread forking locally"?

  - Conal

On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 1:57 PM, Andy Gill <andygill@ku.edu> wrote:
Conal, et. al,

I was looking for exactly this about 6~9 months ago. I got the suggestion to pose it as a challenge
to the community by Duncan Coutts. What you need is thread groups,  where for a ThreadId, you can send a signal
to all its children, even missing generations if needed. 

I know of no way to fix this at the Haskell level without handling all thread forking locally. 

Perhaps a ICFP paper about the pending implementation :-) but I'm not sure about the research content here.

Again, there is something deep about values with lifetimes. 

Andy Gill


On Dec 18, 2008, at 3:43 PM, Conal Elliott wrote:

I realized in the shower this morning that there's a serious flaw in my unamb implementation as described in http://conal.net/blog/posts/functional-concurrency-with-unambiguous-choice.  I'm looking for ideas for fixing the flaw.  Here's the code for racing computations:

    race :: IO a -> IO a -> IO a
    a `race` b = do v  <- newEmptyMVar
                    ta <- forkPut a v
                    tb <- forkPut b v
                    x  <- takeMVar  v
                    killThread ta
                    killThread tb
                    return x

    forkPut :: IO a -> MVar a -> IO ThreadId
    forkPut act v = forkIO ((act >>= putMVar v) `catch` uhandler `catch` bhandler)
     where
       uhandler (ErrorCall "Prelude.undefined") = return ()
       uhandler err                             = throw err
       bhandler BlockedOnDeadMVar               = return ()

The problem is that each of the threads ta and tb may have spawned other threads, directly or indirectly.  When I kill them, they don't get a chance to kill their sub-threads.

Perhaps I want some form of garbage collection of threads, perhaps akin to Henry Baker's paper "The Incremental Garbage Collection of Processes".  As with memory GC, dropping one consumer would sometimes result is cascading de-allocations.  That cascade is missing from my implementation.

Or maybe there's a simple and dependable manual solution, enhancing the method above.

Any ideas?

   - Conal


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