Thomas Dziedzic wrote:

Hi,

I recently found out arch-haskell has completely split from using archlinux. I was wondering what your future plans are for arch-haskell as you have become a completely separate entity. (providing all your own packages) I expressed in a previous mail that I would like to work together rather than having you guys split off from arch completely, but that is your choice.

I also read some mails on this ml about getting official status. Splitting off completely and not communicating your intentions with me is not going to get you an official status if that is your intention. Instead, communication and coordination with me is crucial for that to have any chance.

I am still for working together, but we need to start talking if you also want to work together. Otherwise, I wish this community the very best of luck if you choose to completely split.

Cheers!

Hi, Haskell packages require topological rebuilds and that always seems to cause problems when a rebuild needs to be coordinated across 3+ repos with even more packagers. The recent updates have left several users in dependency hell and unable to upgrade their systems. In theory you could put all of the packages either in [extra] or in [community] to more easily manage the rebuilds, but no one with access to those repos is going to do that (the tools aren't in place, and getting them in place would be an uphill battle). Besides, it really makes sense to have them in a separate Haskell repo. They form a large set of related packages, and they require highly coordinated rebuilds. Magnus has both the skills and motivation to maintain such a repo. Official status or not, the goal is to provide working packages for the user and this will do just that. The redundancy with [extra] and [community] is unfortunate, but ideally the devs would realize that this approach is optimal and support this repo. Redundant packages could then be removed from other repos. Please don't see this as stepping on your toes. Try to see the benefits of this approach and support it as it will vastly improve the end-user experience for all Archers who use Haskell. Regards, Xyne

On Tue, Mar 06, 2012 at 08:21:50PM -0600, Thomas Dziedzic wrote:

Hi,

I recently found out arch-haskell has completely split from using archlinux. I was wondering what your future plans are for arch-haskell as you have become a completely separate entity. (providing all your own packages)

Yes, that is the route I've turned onto. I think it's worthwhile to do this at this point. Xyne has expressed many of the reasons for doing this. There are however a two other points I'd like to add: - A dependency on official Arch packages is a bit of a pain to maintain due to the lack of good sources of information about changes to Arch repos. - A minor point is that Arch has some "rules" that put limits on packaging: only released software is packaged, and patches are strongly discouraged.

I also read some mails on this ml about getting official status. Splitting off completely and not communicating your intentions with me is not going to get you an official status if that is your intention. Instead, communication and coordination with me is crucial for that to have any chance.

Then you also read that I don't have official status as a goal, it would be a *bonus*, nothing more, nothing less. /M -- Magnus Therning OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4 email: magnus@therning.org jabber: magnus@therning.org twitter: magthe http://therning.org/magnus Most software today is very much like an Egyptian pyramid with millions of bricks piled on top of each other, with no structural integrity, but just done by brute force and thousands of slaves. -- Alan Kay