Re: [Haskell-beginners] Maybe and Just

Not really, when you define the type "Maybe a": data Maybe a = Just a | Nothing Haskell is creating automatically two functions for you: Just :: a -> Maybe a Nothing :: Maybe a In the first case, you can think of "Just" and "Nothing" as a sort of tag identifying which element of the sum you have. It the second case it's a function, with the same name. A more informed person than me could say if they are indeed separated of if they are the same thing in GHC... On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 5:34 PM, Shishir Srivastava < shishir.srivastava@gmail.com> wrote:

isn't that then cyclic dependency between 'Maybe' and 'Just' ...where the first one is defined in terms of second and vice-versa...?

Shishir

On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 3:48 PM, Corentin Dupont < corentin.dupont@gmail.com> wrote:

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Hi Shishir, I think that's a legitimate question.

By writing

data Maybe a = a | Nothing

you are saying that the type of the left hand side of the = is the same that right hand side (you are defining a type basically). Also you can only sum things of the same type. So you are saying: type "Maybe a" = type "a" Which is wrong. That's why "a" should be wrapped into something: type of "Just a" is indeed "Maybe a".

"Just" is a type constructor: Just :: a -> Maybe a It allows you to build the Maybe.

Said that, "Just" is a vocabulary choice. Personally I prefer the name choices of OCaml, Rust, Scala etc.: Option a = None | Some a

On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 4:26 PM, Shishir Srivastava < shishir.srivastava@gmail.com> wrote:

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ok..but what's with using the keyword 'Just' ? why cannot 'Maybe' be defined like this

data Maybe a = a | Nothing

what's the point in having 'Just' keyword ?

Shishir

On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 10:26 AM, Michael Alan Dorman < mdorman@ironicdesign.com> wrote:

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Shishir Srivastava writes:

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After reading and re-reading the haskell tutorials I don't happen to see a very convincing or appealing reason for having these data types.

To be clear: Maybe is the data *type*. Just and Nothing are its data *constructors*.

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Can anyone please explain where Maybe and Just provide the sort of functionality that cannot be achieved in other languages which don't have these kind.

The functionality can be achieved in other languages, certainly. The question is whether the clarity and safety is also achieved.

When I see (as a totally contrived example):

fopen :: Maybe FileHandle

I know that that function may not be able to return a FileHandle value all the time. The compiler will, in fact, nag me if I do not write the code that calls it in such a way that it acknowledges that possibility.

When I see:

FILE * fopen ( const char * filename, const char * mode );

It is not immediately clear whether that can fail. Sure, we can make that inference, based on what we know about filesystems, etc., but the compiler is never going to complain if I ignore the possibility.

In my experience, programmers in many languages end up resorting to convention to try and work around these sorts of ambiguities. Large projects have strategies for naming functions that try to pass along information out of band, or languages have a pervasive culture of "lint" tools that try to use heuristics to make up for what the type system doesn't make simple.

That said, I know that doing Maybe sorts of things in languages that don't have, say, pattern matching, or the idea of a "failure monad", gets to be a drag very quickly---manually unwrapping things is at best awkward, having to re-wrap them just to unwrap them again in a sequence of computations quickly leads one to believe "it's just not worth it"---or you resort to exception handling, which has its own challenges to do well.

Mike.

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