There's just so much I don't know that I find myself wanting to look something up every minute or so. If the editor supported me in this regard I would really love it. On 19 April 2013 11:19, David McBride wrote:

Usually when I'm inspecting something, I just go :ghci % and then :i the type I want. If by some chance I don't have a library installed that is needed, I just search for a function or type on hayoo and browse the hackage docs for that library.

There are ides for haskell, but I don't know how good they are. Yi is written in haskell, but I don't know how good it is. Eclipsefp is supposedly okay. I know I've seen some vim integration (haskellmode?) but I don't know how well it works. But I have never felt the absense of these tools in this language, personally.

On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 7:45 PM, Jeff Lasslett wrote:

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Greetings,

So I find myself playing around with XMonad source code. I'm a long time Vim user and I've made a tags file to help me navigate the source code. I've got decent syntax highlighting.

What I lack is insight into the libs. I'd like the editor/IDE to tell me the type of a thing, or at least the module it is defined in. Is this a sensible question for haskell? I just don't want to have to hunt for where lib functions are defined (tags take me around the xmonad sources with drama).

So what editors/IDEs to people use for haskell to help with this? Or do you all just keep everything in your massive brains? :-)

Cheers, Jeff

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Hi Amy, On 19 April 2013 19:13, Amy de Buitléir wrote:

Jeff Lasslett writes:

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So I find myself playing around with XMonad source code.

Have you seen the "XMonad deconstructed" videos? They're very well done. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63MpfyZUcrU (part 1) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivdyLaH3PhY (part 2)

Yes, I have watched these and i agree with you. They are quite well done. I have found them very helpful. Sadly they don't touch much on X event handling within XMonad, which is what I am most interested in.

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I'd like the editor/IDE to tell me the type of a thing, or at least the module it is defined in.

Leksah and EclipseFP are two options you might want to consider. You can find links to them, and information about other options here:

Leksah sound good, although perhaps a little "heavier" than I would like. I'm not a huge fan of eclipse, though I may take a look at eclipsefp.

I myself make do with querying the types in GHCi or Hayoo. I also installed the command-line version of Hoogle (see http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Hoogle), which is very useful.

Thanks for this suggestion. The trouble starts for me when I don't know what package something is in. For example ... *Main> :t guard <interactive>:1:1: Not in scope: `guard' I think I looked it up in the index on hackage. It's times like that when I long for a hotkey combo that will tell me package and type info for the item under the cursor. Thanks, Jeff

If you're a vim person, I see there is a script to search hoogle within vim: http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=2672 Last version from 2011 though. But syntastic + ghc-mod-vim goes a long way On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 5:52 AM, Rustom Mody wrote:

On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 4:41 AM, Jeff Lasslett wrote:

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Hi Amy,

On 19 April 2013 19:13, Amy de Buitléir wrote:

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Jeff Lasslett writes:

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So I find myself playing around with XMonad source code.

Have you seen the "XMonad deconstructed" videos? They're very well done. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63MpfyZUcrU (part 1) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivdyLaH3PhY (part 2)

Yes, I have watched these and i agree with you. They are quite well done. I have found them very helpful. Sadly they don't touch much on X event handling within XMonad, which is what I am most interested in.

...

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I'd like the editor/IDE to tell me the type of a thing, or at least the module it is defined in.

Leksah and EclipseFP are two options you might want to consider. You can find links to them, and information about other options here:

Leksah sound good, although perhaps a little "heavier" than I would like. I'm not a huge fan of eclipse, though I may take a look at eclipsefp.

Its now a decade since this was written http://osteele.com/posts/2004/11/ides Unfortunately the divide remains as true today :-(

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I'm surprised nobody mentioned emacs, I know the emacs/vim divides run deep but a lot of haskeller make do with emacs, haskell-mode contains what you ask for (shortcut to ask the type of something to ghci) and much more. -- Jedaï On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 2:51 PM, carlos gomez wrote:

Just to mention, I have seen a plugin for programming in Haskell in Intellij Idea; I didn't experiment much with the plugin but Intellij Idea is a good IDE.

On 22 April 2013 03:37, Emmanuel Surleau wrote:

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If you're a vim person, I see there is a script to search hoogle within vim: http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=2672

Last version from 2011 though. But syntastic + ghc-mod-vim goes a long way

On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 5:52 AM, Rustom Mody wrote:

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On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 4:41 AM, Jeff Lasslett wrote:

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Hi Amy,

On 19 April 2013 19:13, Amy de Buitléir wrote:

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Jeff Lasslett writes:

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So I find myself playing around with XMonad source code.

Have you seen the "XMonad deconstructed" videos? They're very well done. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63MpfyZUcrU (part 1) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivdyLaH3PhY (part 2)

Yes, I have watched these and i agree with you. They are quite well done. I have found them very helpful. Sadly they don't touch much on X event handling within XMonad, which is what I am most interested in.

...

...

I'd like the editor/IDE to tell me the type of a thing, or at least the module it is defined in.

Leksah and EclipseFP are two options you might want to consider. You can find links to them, and information about other options here:

Leksah sound good, although perhaps a little "heavier" than I would like. I'm not a huge fan of eclipse, though I may take a look at eclipsefp.

Its now a decade since this was written http://osteele.com/posts/2004/11/ides Unfortunately the divide remains as true today :-(

-- http://www.the-magus.in http://blog.languager.org

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I like haskell-mode quite a bit. But the divide does run deep indeed. You can always run emacs in vi-mode. :) On Apr 22, 2013, at 11:11 AM, Chaddaï Fouché wrote:

I'm surprised nobody mentioned emacs, I know the emacs/vim divides run deep but a lot of haskeller make do with emacs, haskell-mode contains what you ask for (shortcut to ask the type of something to ghci) and much more.

-- Jedaï

On 23 April 2013 02:11, Chaddaï Fouché wrote:

I'm surprised nobody mentioned emacs, I know the emacs/vim divides run deep but a lot of haskeller make do with emacs, haskell-mode contains what you ask for (shortcut to ask the type of something to ghci) and much more.

I don't dislike emacs. I'm largely ignorant of it. I just ignore it really. The first unix editor I learned to use was vi, and I've never felt the need to look elsewhere. As I learn more languages I find that I want help with their associated libraries, more than anything. Learning a language syntax is not so hard, but it's generally not enough to create useful software. Using the language to create useful software really means knowing all about the libraries and frameworks built for use with the language. As a haskell beginner, that's where I find I want the editor/IDE to help me out. If emacs helps me then I might just give it a try. :-)

On 22 April 2013 22:51, carlos gomez wrote:

Just to mention, I have seen a plugin for programming in Haskell in Intellij Idea; I didn't experiment much with the plugin but Intellij Idea is a good IDE.

Intellij IDEA is a great IDE. Its Vim bindings plugin is not entirely stable though, or wasn't when I last used IDEA. AS far as large java IDEs go IntelliJ is awesome. If their haskell mode is as good as their other language toolings then it is probably pretty good. I probably won't go there though. :-)

2013/4/23 Miguel Negrão

Yes, IDEA is amazing, but has anyone managed to get the Haskell plugin working ? I never did... Is it still maintained. I mostly use eclipseFP which is quite nice, although not as polished as for instance intellij IDEA for scala or java.

There are people that managed to get the plugin working on the latest version, ( https://code.google.com/p/ideah/issues/detail?id=22 ) but I didn't. IIRC, what stopped me is a wrong version of ghc or libraries, and I didn't try too much. David.

Hi Magnus, On 20 April 2013 08:13, Magnus Therning wrote:

On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 09:45:08AM +1000, Jeff Lasslett wrote:

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Greetings,

So I find myself playing around with XMonad source code. I'm a long time Vim user and I've made a tags file to help me navigate the source code. I've got decent syntax highlighting.

What I lack is insight into the libs. I'd like the editor/IDE to tell me

vim + syntastic + ghcmod-vim: http://www.mew.org/~kazu/proj/ghc-mod/en/

More vim-related goodness for the Haskell programmer: http://haskelllive.com/environment.html

Thanks for this. I'm picking my way through the env described at the haskelllive link. I hadn't discovered neobundle before. It's great. Jeff