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Giacomo Tesio

26 May 2013 26 May '13

12:38 p.m.

I know the page on haskell.org about IDEs, but I'd like to know which IDE professional Haskell programmers actually use at work. Giacomo

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Mateusz Kowalczyk

26 May 26 May

1:09 p.m.

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I know the page on haskell.org about IDEs, but I'd like to know which IDE professional Haskell programmers actually use at work.

Giacomo

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Yi is the only Haskell-specific editor that I'm aware of but it's very much incomplete. Whenever this topic comes up on the IRC channels, vast majority of people use Vim and emacs. Is there a specific feature you're looking for? The chances are there's already support for it in emacs (I don't know what vim is like for Haskell). - -- Mateusz K. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJRokHPAAoJEM1mucMq2pqXv90P/iTHFtAYtncn2RVwZBgewf1t 3WOZwqjv3mCepxmtWv+5lQklfx6YdgheE1oz7+a7Kcur/lX+3oycuezcBVJQd9c+ Q4kBx/oYWsNzzrHrFD8CKe6x6PBGh7mfov8NGaf49WXnV1BTArajJcMOFbNonRAJ Ba9gfv4BfIhuNYYNm7Zuo8A0EvC36S19mbERsfI1SXRq0nGmQj4kXM47w3M0xpMS MYixp1gtUoBHGIc3FoEs6WPlTIEitnjgBblzkRJz39HM+CkdPDiUwIN3/X+cju3h BzQSFyPQms6gW7PGqGOf+AfwtYrTqcoM7hH+xRo+dhyQbH4gDn6J19f/2sCS8+nL ez/A9QTMw/90BmDiN1ZQjacnzSEfafS//tFSBJN3CZrDUgaOryxcXxnnpKFV0SU8 CjAOrVo9BK2dyA3eIaZgLK3EjQ1Hss+E7HnI7f3R/7t/ZbIhrVXTjrCtuITPYYkY CORyNemPzH28GLFknrGh5agCvO/Vc7GdyGam3PfY4aw0tWGhxeJn0QMb1ID5K4id jiOQ/pCtZxSZY7UUEWcxCwCACSn1dIeaA6CIX0GMeGXu2jeNC5dbnEG0VeJkFJyg 6RphA1NMTMdFUQVgZVLQRu0nnTbgwklnccDwzz+YzBBuG+az/fs2dLw9/ZmTnbxf /TDM0dfWHDh/GPB+VRXl =xgKX -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Jeremy Shaw

1:35 p.m.

I'm a professional Haskell developer and I use emacs. - jeremy On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Giacomo Tesio wrote:

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I know the page on haskell.org about IDEs, but I'd like to know which IDE professional Haskell programmers actually use at work.

Giacomo

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emacstheviking

2:07 p.m.

I am not a professional Haskell developer and I still use emacs. In 28 years I have yet to find a more comfortable pair of slippers! I uses emacs for *everything* editable except graphics! On 26 May 2013 18:35, Jeremy Shaw wrote:

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I'm a professional Haskell developer and I use emacs.

- jeremy

On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Giacomo Tesio wrote:

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I know the page on haskell.org about IDEs, but I'd like to know which IDE professional Haskell programmers actually use at work.

Giacomo

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Giacomo Tesio

5:06 p.m.

A few years ago I was an Emacs user too, so I'm not surprised of these answers. In the last 4 years, my job moved to windows, and I have worked mainly on C# and .NET so that I've become a kind of VisualStudio addict. Still I used Spyder for scientifical computing and jEdit a lot for casual editing on windows. There are a few features that I think are important for professional development: - debugging support - project management (should I really learn cabal packaging?) - underline sintactic errors - code navigation - autocompletion (based on scope) - testing integration Optional valuable features - syntax highlight - section folds I'm using Leksah, right now, but I'm still not satisfied. This despite the hard and respectful work of the author. I'd like to have an excuse to use Emacs (or vim) at work (windows) and at home (Linux), but I'm not sure that it satisfies these basic requirements. Any "ready to use" .emacs for Haskell? To those that mainly code in Haskell: can you suggest any realistic screencast to show your development process? Giacomo On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 8:07 PM, emacstheviking wrote:

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I am not a professional Haskell developer and I still use emacs. In 28 years I have yet to find a more comfortable pair of slippers! I uses emacs for *everything* editable except graphics!

On 26 May 2013 18:35, Jeremy Shaw wrote:

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I'm a professional Haskell developer and I use emacs.

- jeremy

On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Giacomo Tesio wrote:

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I know the page on haskell.org about IDEs, but I'd like to know which IDE professional Haskell programmers actually use at work.

Giacomo

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Brent Yorgey

6:26 p.m.

I know that FP Complete has been working on developing an industrial-strength IDE for Haskell. So there may be another good option in the not-too-distant future. -Brent On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 11:06:47PM +0200, Giacomo Tesio wrote:

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A few years ago I was an Emacs user too, so I'm not surprised of these answers. In the last 4 years, my job moved to windows, and I have worked mainly on C# and .NET so that I've become a kind of VisualStudio addict. Still I used Spyder for scientifical computing and jEdit a lot for casual editing on windows.

There are a few features that I think are important for professional development: - debugging support - project management (should I really learn cabal packaging?) - underline sintactic errors - code navigation - autocompletion (based on scope) - testing integration

Optional valuable features - syntax highlight - section folds

I'm using Leksah, right now, but I'm still not satisfied. This despite the hard and respectful work of the author.

I'd like to have an excuse to use Emacs (or vim) at work (windows) and at home (Linux), but I'm not sure that it satisfies these basic requirements. Any "ready to use" .emacs for Haskell?

To those that mainly code in Haskell: can you suggest any realistic screencast to show your development process?

Giacomo

On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 8:07 PM, emacstheviking wrote:

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I am not a professional Haskell developer and I still use emacs. In 28 years I have yet to find a more comfortable pair of slippers! I uses emacs for *everything* editable except graphics!

On 26 May 2013 18:35, Jeremy Shaw wrote:

...
I'm a professional Haskell developer and I use emacs.

- jeremy

On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Giacomo Tesio wrote:

...
I know the page on haskell.org about IDEs, but I'd like to know which IDE professional Haskell programmers actually use at work.

Giacomo

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Rustom Mody

27 May 27 May

2:51 a.m.

On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 2:36 AM, Giacomo Tesio wrote:

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A few years ago I was an Emacs user too, so I'm not surprised of these answers. In the last 4 years, my job moved to windows, and I have worked mainly on C# and .NET so that I've become a kind of VisualStudio addict. Still I used Spyder for scientifical computing and jEdit a lot for casual editing on windows.

There are a few features that I think are important for professional development: - debugging support - project management (should I really learn cabal packaging?) - underline sintactic errors - code navigation - autocompletion (based on scope) - testing integration

Optional valuable features - syntax highlight - section folds

I'm using Leksah, right now, but I'm still not satisfied. This despite the hard and respectful work of the author.

I'd like to have an excuse to use Emacs (or vim) at work (windows) and at home (Linux), but I'm not sure that it satisfies these basic requirements. Any "ready to use" .emacs for Haskell?

This was written 10 years ago.... still remains true... http://osteele.com/posts/2004/11/ides

Giacomo Tesio

4:17 a.m.

Nice article, but I'm not sure it's completely right. Even language's mavens use an IDE, probably a custom one built out of terminal windows, makefiles and so on. And, to my money, this can be effective, but difficult to share and setup. Emacs, actually is a bit easier to share and setup, in such a context (Emacs IS an IDE), but a bit difficult to learn (and to be honest, to learn again... :-D) I guess that XMonad born almost like an alternative to Emacs to integrate different tools in a consistent windowing. Indeed powerful languages are useful to express powerful concepts (thus they are funny!) Tools are useful for boring activities. For example, editing makefiles (and studing autotools) is a boring activity. :-D Debuggers are useful to find bugs, another boring activity. Still both activities are unavoidable (afaik) by professional programmers. You can do both without tools, but they will require more time, thus more annoyance. This is why, to my money, looking for an IDE (even if it's just a specific configuration of xmonad or Emacs) is a rational search. :-) BTW, now, I'm wondering if I should give Geany a try or just learn Emacs again... :-) For example, I'm sure that Emacs can do almost everything I need (project management apart), but I'm also sure that I have no chance to convince my fellow windows programmers to use it. Giacomo On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 8:51 AM, Rustom Mody wrote:

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On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 2:36 AM, Giacomo Tesio wrote:

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A few years ago I was an Emacs user too, so I'm not surprised of these answers. In the last 4 years, my job moved to windows, and I have worked mainly on C# and .NET so that I've become a kind of VisualStudio addict. Still I used Spyder for scientifical computing and jEdit a lot for casual editing on windows.

There are a few features that I think are important for professional development: - debugging support - project management (should I really learn cabal packaging?) - underline sintactic errors - code navigation - autocompletion (based on scope) - testing integration

Optional valuable features - syntax highlight - section folds

I'm using Leksah, right now, but I'm still not satisfied. This despite the hard and respectful work of the author.

I'd like to have an excuse to use Emacs (or vim) at work (windows) and at home (Linux), but I'm not sure that it satisfies these basic requirements. Any "ready to use" .emacs for Haskell?

This was written 10 years ago.... still remains true... http://osteele.com/posts/2004/11/ides

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Rustom Mody

6:36 a.m.

On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 1:47 PM, Giacomo Tesio wrote:

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Nice article, but I'm not sure it's completely right.

Even language's mavens use an IDE, probably a custom one built out of terminal windows, makefiles and so on. And, to my money, this can be effective, but difficult to share and setup. Emacs, actually is a bit easier to share and setup, in such a context (Emacs IS an IDE), but a bit difficult to learn (and to be honest, to learn again... :-D) I guess that XMonad born almost like an alternative to Emacs to integrate different tools in a consistent windowing.

Indeed powerful languages are useful to express powerful concepts (thus they are funny!)

Tools are useful for boring activities. For example, editing makefiles (and studing autotools) is a boring activity. :-D Debuggers are useful to find bugs, another boring activity.

Still both activities are unavoidable (afaik) by professional programmers. You can do both without tools, but they will require more time, thus more annoyance.

This is why, to my money, looking for an IDE (even if it's just a specific configuration of xmonad or Emacs) is a rational search. :-)

BTW, now, I'm wondering if I should give Geany a try or just learn Emacs again... :-) For example, I'm sure that Emacs can do almost everything I need (project management apart), but I'm also sure that I have no chance to convince my fellow windows programmers to use it.

This was announced a couple of weeks ago http://mew.org/~kazu/proj/ghc-mod/en/

harry

2:20 p.m.

Giacomo Tesio writes:

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There are a few features that I think are important for professional development: - debugging support - project management (should I really learn cabal packaging?) - underline sintactic errors - code navigation - autocompletion (based on scope) - testing integration

Optional valuable features - syntax highlight - section folds

I think EclipseFP gives you this. (I can't remember if it supports section folds, Haskell is sufficiently terse that I've never needed it :-)

Erik de Castro Lopo

26 May 26 May

4:49 p.m.

Giacomo Tesio wrote:

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I know the page on haskell.org about IDEs, but I'd like to know which IDE professional Haskell programmers actually use at work.

Most of the code I write at work is Haskell and I use Linux as my IDE. My editor is geany. Erik -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Erik de Castro Lopo http://www.mega-nerd.com/

Giacomo Tesio

6:46 p.m.

Geany looks interesting. Does it understand cabal? What about debugging? Giacomo On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 10:49 PM, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote:

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Giacomo Tesio wrote:

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I know the page on haskell.org about IDEs, but I'd like to know which IDE professional Haskell programmers actually use at work.

Most of the code I write at work is Haskell and I use Linux as my IDE. My editor is geany.

Erik -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Erik de Castro Lopo http://www.mega-nerd.com/

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Erik de Castro Lopo

6:52 p.m.

Giacomo Tesio wrote:

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Geany looks interesting. Does it understand cabal? What about debugging?

Geany is suppsoed to be an IDE, but I use it purely as a text editor. Geany treats cabal files as plain text. I don't know of *any* commonly used Haskell debugger. Erik -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Erik de Castro Lopo http://www.mega-nerd.com/

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