I felt compelled to PM Paul about his email. In support. If this list is to be vetted and thought-controlled by self-imposed politically correct Ministry of Thought operatives then I am leaving today. It's a shame that the mindset required to understand Haskell is still open to petty thinking and the desire to impose its thoughts upon others. Freedom of speech, thought and expression. Well, that's ruined my Christmas I think. What is it about human beings that makes them unable to accept what somebody else has to say without wanting to pontificate ? Sigh, and it was such a nice list too... :(
I think I must have missed something, could you send a link to the
message you're talking about?
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 1:20 PM, Sean Charles
I felt compelled to PM Paul about his email. In support.
If this list is to be vetted and thought-controlled by self-imposed politically correct Ministry of Thought operatives then I am leaving today.
It's a shame that the mindset required to understand Haskell is still open to petty thinking and the desire to impose its thoughts upon others.
Freedom of speech, thought and expression. Well, that's ruined my Christmas I think.
What is it about human beings that makes them unable to accept what somebody else has to say without wanting to pontificate ?
Sigh, and it was such a nice list too... :(
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On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 10:04 AM, Michael Snoyman
I think I must have missed something, could you send a link to the message you're talking about?
I was puzzled as well. Here's [1] the archived message in question (see also its replies). I don't want sound rude, but maybe you are overreacting, Sean. I agree that we should be able to exercise our freedom of speech on this mailing list. But in Richard Mittel's defence, we really want to be nice to everyone on the list as well, and he's right when he says that some people may misunderstand Paul's example. Given that Paul wasn't stating his opinion, and only giving an example, giving another example that couldn't be misunderstood should be better (and he himself agrees with this in [1] when he says that he couldn't come up with a better one). In other words, from my point of view Richard wasn't censoring Paul, but cautioning him that those kinds of examples may be inflammatory depending on who reads them. And he's probably right. I've had OOP classes where students got offended by those very kinds of examples. [1] http://www.haskell.org/pipermail/beginners/2010-December/006084.html Peace, and Merry Christmas! =) -- Felipe.
I'm sorry --- but I think everyone is just making a mountain of (not even) a molehill (and I live in Chelsea, NY). Too many people are concerned about someone ELSE being offended. If someone misunderstands a posting, it is not the author's fault ---- particularly when the author didn't say anything to actually offend anyone. This is no different than christians being offended by the atheist billboards popping up. It is not the atheists' problem. Can we please get back to beginning Haskell stuff? I'm desperately trying to learn the basics, struggling right left and center, particularly with infrastructure that I can't get working (can't get the gtk stuff installed on my Mac) and this mailing list is turning into spam! I would hate to have to turn it off. D P.S. By the way, is is not possible to have a forum instead of a mailing list --- these mailing lists are so 19th century! On Dec 21, 2010, at 7:20 AM, Felipe Almeida Lessa wrote:
blah blah blah
On 21 Dec 2010, at 12:42, David Jameson wrote:
Can we please get back to beginning Haskell stuff?
Agreed, the apology was intended to put out a powder keg before it exploded. It's finished from my point of view. Move along, please.
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