On April 6, 2014 10:41:41 AM GMT+03:00, "John M. Dlugosz" wrote:

A spiral approach to learning: you understand, then you learn more, and then you are more confused than ever.

Excellent characterization of learning. Mind if I use it?

I recall that a function in the IO Monad just combines actions to make a big action list, and doesn't actually do the side-effect-laden "work" until it is later triggered, normally because the program is defined to evaluate main.

Depending on the time of day and which example I pick, I can sometimes follow what's "really happening" in the definition of >>=. But here are some specific questions:

In http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Monads_as_computation

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What is a for-each loop really? It's something which performs some action based on each element of a list. So we might imagine a function with the type:

forM :: (Monad m) => [a] -> (a -> m b) -> m [b]

(as an added bonus, we'll have it collect the results of each iteration).

We can write this with sequence and map:

forM xs f = sequence (map f xs)

we apply the function to each element of the list to construct the action for that iteration, and then sequence the actions together into a single computation.

So map by itself produces a [m b]. Why does it need to be turned into m [b]? What does the 'sequence' accomplish, other than restructuring the results that already exist?

In essence, what a value of type Monad m => [m a] means is that you have a list full of monadic actions. It's a bit like having a list of functions - while you can certainly use the actions and functions, respectively, they haven't been evaluated *yet*. Whereas a value of type Monad m => m [a] represents a monadic action returning some list of values. Thus, sequence is collecting the values computed by each action. This is all made clear by the implementation of sequence: sequence ms = foldr k (return []) ms where k m m' = do { x <- m; xs <- m'; return (x:xs) } Note that lists aren't special, Data.Traversable defines sequence for all traversable values: sequence = unwrapMonad . traverse . WrapMonad

The reason I asked about (#⋯#) is because I wanted to see what IO was really doing, to see what the difference was between using >>= initially and then somehow "cranking" it later.

http://hackage.haskell.org/package/base-4.6.0.1/docs/src/GHC-Base.html#%3E%3... lists

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instance Monad IO where {-# INLINE return #-} {-# INLINE (>>) #-} {-# INLINE (>>=) #-} m >> k = m >>= \ _ -> k return = returnIO (>>=) = bindIO fail s = failIO s

returnIO :: a -> IO a returnIO x = IO $ \ s -> (# s, x #)

bindIO :: IO a -> (a -> IO b) -> IO b bindIO (IO m) k = IO $ \ s -> case m s of (# new_s, a #) -> unIO (k a) new_s

thenIO :: IO a -> IO b -> IO b thenIO (IO m) k = IO $ \ s -> case m s of (# new_s, _ #) -> unIO k new_s

unIO :: IO a -> (State# RealWorld -> (# State# RealWorld, a #)) unIO (IO a) = a

where bindIO is the function of interest. In a chain of commands, getLine might be the 'k' argument to bindIO. Somewhere there's a real machine function called to do the reading from the file, right? Yes. I don't know enough about GHC's implementation of the Prelude, but basically, what's going on here is that IO works a bit like State, except it uses unboxed tuples and doesn't have an evalState function. getLine and its ilk are all probably defined using primitive operations. That basically sums up my knowledge of how IO works. Hoping to help, Gesh