Re: GHC and the future of Freenode

As I said, I am not a heavy IRC user, for my online chatting needs I mostly use Mattermost, Discord, and Slack. So I don't have an informed opinion on the technical merits of the various platforms---mostly I've heard that the Matrix clients and servers are quite a bit less robust than IRC ones but I've never personally used them. If there is a feeling that GHC wants to use a new chatting platform, by all means we should try it out. I just don't think that the unfortunate situation with free-node is a good reason to drop IRC entirely. Despite its flows, I think it has served our community well, and while it may look "old" to "young" users it does have the benefit of being pretty stable, unlike the myriad of chatting services that seem to be popping up all the time. -Iavor On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 10:41 AM Ben Gamari wrote:

Iavor Diatchki writes:

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Hello,

I am not a heavy IRC user, but I'd say it makes most sense to just use Libera. It is essentially the same people that were running free-node running pretty much the exact same service, and I believe they are trying to make it extra easy to just switch, so this should be the least effort transition.

I believe IRC has served the GHC community quite well so far, and there is a reddit post by Ed Kmett that the normal Haskell channels have already been transitioned over, so I think it makes sense for GHC to stick with the rest of the Haskell community.

The problem is that, in order to grow (or even merely not to shrink), the community also needs to adapt to the preferences of younger users.

The fact of the matter is the younger users tend to be, at best, unfamiliar with IRC. In the worst case, the need to leave a browser/sign up for a new account means that they simply won't participate. Of the new contributors I have had approach me in the past year, less than half have had any familiarity with IRC.

Matrix has the advantage of being accessible to "web-native" community members while being open enough to (at least in principle) allow community members who are accustomed to IRC to continue to participate via a bridge.

Cheers,

- Ben