| we also need a culture of just doing stuff, and less asking for it. I agree with that -- hence "power to the people". You absolutely don't need the approval of a committee or of GHC HQ to just get on with something. But it also makes sense to work together, to achieve more as a group than a single individual can. Simon | -----Original Message----- | From: ghc-devs [mailto:ghc-devs-bounces@haskell.org] On Behalf Of | Joachim Breitner | Sent: 08 April 2014 09:31 | To: ghc-devs@haskell.org | Subject: Re: Offering GHC builder build slaves | | Hi, | | Am Dienstag, den 08.04.2014, 08:03 +0000 schrieb Simon Peyton Jones: | > So we have willing horsepower. But the moment we lack leadership. | > Alain rightly says "I don't know what the process is" because we don't | > *have* a process. We need a mechanism for creating a process, taking | > decisions, etc. | | we also need a culture of just doing stuff, and less asking for it. | | In Debian it works likes this: Someone has an idea (continuous | integration), does it and tells the mailing list about it. Then people | tell you that it’s great, or how it could be greater. If it works out, | eventually it comes an official service, whatever that means. | | So in this case (independent of any committee or process): Páli, you | have starting running some builder infrastructure. Great! Just keep | doing it! | And if you want people to join their builders, tell them what | information you need from them and add them. Feel free to modify the | wiki so that people find you. Make up some rules (about usernames etc.) | as you go, if necessary. In essence what you said in | | > However, my efforts has not been "blessed" and I am not sure if there | > are at least plans to make the builders part of the official | > haskell.org infrastructure. Either way it goes, I can update the | > corresponding wiki page with my contact information and start | > accommodation further clients until the fate of the service is | > decided, if there will not be any objections in the next few days. | | but without waiting for objections. Just do it. And tell us about your | achievements. | | Also worry less about official or not. The Travis setup is not official, | but (IMHO) has been useful quite a few times. I’d _like_ it to be | official, i.e. hosted on git.haskell.org, but that is not important. | | If your service becomes “critical” in some sense it is still time to | move it some official infrastructure... but that can come second, and | should not hinder anyone from contributing. | | Greetings, and thanks for your contributions, Joachim | | -- | Joachim “nomeata” Breitner | mail@joachim-breitner.de • http://www.joachim-breitner.de/ | Jabber: nomeata@joachim-breitner.de • GPG-Key: 0x4743206C | Debian Developer: nomeata@debian.org