Friends Wow! I didn't expect my scrappy notes to generate so much traffic! Some quick thoughts: * My notes were typed in real-time, during an open 70-person discussion during the Haskell Implementors Workshop. Air-time was limited, and I just wanted to capture suggestions that people made. They do not reflect a thoughtful agreement or a concrete plan. * As it happens, some of the subsequent traffic illustrates rather well the challenges that I wanted to address in my "Respect" post to haskell.org, although I posted the latter before seeing the former. The good thing is that we ALL share the same goals: to make it as easy as possible for both newcomers and hard-core developers to contribute to GHC; to preserve GHC's conceptual integrity; to operate within the limits of what a bunch of volunteers can do. We may differ in our judgements about how best to achieve those goals, but I'm certain that, if we take a little care, we can do so in the language of colleagues not adversaries. Happily, everything has calmed down a bit now, but still I'd like to renew my plea for courtesy; and in particular, to start from an assumption of good faith. Nobody here is seeking to be hostile, dismissive, or excluding. If my behaviour appears to you to be any of those things, please talk me privately, not in public; I have probably just failed to express myself well. * Turning to the main issue of substance -- reducing the barrier to entry for new contributors -- one plea is "Just do it on Github, the same as everyone else". I can see the force of that argument; Chris Allen calls it "legibility": simply being similar to other workflows reduces the barrier to entry. (Chris and I had a useful conversation last night; thanks Chris.) I do not have a well-informed opinion about whether Github can do the job for us -- it's not the same Github as when we last consciously decided not to go that route. Even if we stick with Phab we could probably do a better job of explaining the workflow, so that someone new is in no doubt about how to contribute. But the choice of technology is, in the end, a judgement call about the balance of plusses and minuses. * I really like Jakub Zalewski's suggestion of having a GHC-specific StackOverflow instance. StackOverflow seems to have captured a great way for people to have a technical questions and answers. That might be better than the GHC wiki, or at least a great complement to it. Better still, Jakub has volunteered to spin one up, an offer I think we should grab with both hands. * I'm open to the idea of mentors -- if we could find enough people willing to act as mentors. I'm not confident we have enough supply to meet the demand, but perhaps we should try and see? * It's worth remembering that we are in the midst of revising the process of how to propose a change to GHC, and the language it compiles, in direct response to feedback from the GHC developer community. Onward and upward Simon