Re: Aliasing current module qualifier

You don't need a new language construct, what i do is:
module AnnoyinglyLongModuleName (M.length, M.null) where
import AnnoyinglongLongModuleName as M
I think ghc would need to be extended a little to make this convienient as
it doesn't handle recursive module imports as transparently.
John
On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Brandon Allbery
On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 4:19 AM, Herbert Valerio Riedel
wrote: Now it'd be great if I could do the following instead:
module AnnoyinglyLongModuleName (M.length, M.null) where
import AnnoyinglyLongModuleName as M -- <- does not work
I think if I wanted this syntax, I'd go for:
module AnnoyinglyLongModuleName as M where ...
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Hello,
What semantics are you using for recursive modules? As far as I see, if
you take a least fixed point semantics (e.g. as described in "A Formal
Specification for the Haskell 98 Module System",
http://yav.github.io/publications/modules98.pdf ) this program is incorrect
as the module does not export anything.
While this may seem a bit counter intuitive at first, this semantics has
the benefit of being precise, easily specified, and uniform (e.g it does
not require any special treatment of the " current " module). As an
example, consider the following variation of your program, where I just
moved the definition in a sperate (still recursive) module:
module A (M.x) where
import B as M
module B (M.x) where
import A as M
x = True
I think that it'd be quite confusing if a single recursive module worked
differently then a larger recursive group, but it is not at all obvious why
B should export 'x'. And for those who like this kind of puzzle: what
should happen if 'A' also had a definition for 'x'?
Iavor
On Sep 29, 2014 11:02 PM, "John Meacham"
You don't need a new language construct, what i do is:
module AnnoyinglyLongModuleName (M.length, M.null) where
import AnnoyinglongLongModuleName as M
I think ghc would need to be extended a little to make this convienient as it doesn't handle recursive module imports as transparently.
John
On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Brandon Allbery
wrote: On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 4:19 AM, Herbert Valerio Riedel
wrote: Now it'd be great if I could do the following instead:
module AnnoyinglyLongModuleName (M.length, M.null) where
import AnnoyinglyLongModuleName as M -- <- does not work
I think if I wanted this syntax, I'd go for:
module AnnoyinglyLongModuleName as M where ...
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If there is to be such a language feature, I strongly feel it should be via something like
module Long.Name.M( f, g, h ) as K where ...
I do not want to try to piggy-back on the possible meaning of a self-import; it’s just asking for trouble, as Iavor points out.
Using “as M” in the module header would be simple. It is easy to explain and fairly easy to implement. I don’t think there are any knock-on complications. So if enough people want it, and someone is prepared to implement it (with a language extension flag of course), then I’d be OK with that. I’m unsure that it’s worth the effort, but I’m happy to let users decide.
Simon
From: Glasgow-haskell-users [mailto:glasgow-haskell-users-bounces@haskell.org] On Behalf Of Iavor Diatchki
Sent: 30 September 2014 13:18
To: john@repetae.net
Cc: GHC Users Mailing List; ghc-devs; Herbert Valerio Riedel
Subject: Re: Aliasing current module qualifier
Hello,
What semantics are you using for recursive modules? As far as I see, if you take a least fixed point semantics (e.g. as described in "A Formal Specification for the Haskell 98 Module System", http://yav.github.io/publications/modules98.pdf ) this program is incorrect as the module does not export anything.
While this may seem a bit counter intuitive at first, this semantics has the benefit of being precise, easily specified, and uniform (e.g it does not require any special treatment of the " current " module). As an example, consider the following variation of your program, where I just moved the definition in a sperate (still recursive) module:
module A (M.x) where
import B as M
module B (M.x) where
import A as M
x = True
I think that it'd be quite confusing if a single recursive module worked differently then a larger recursive group, but it is not at all obvious why B should export 'x'. And for those who like this kind of puzzle: what should happen if 'A' also had a definition for 'x'?
Iavor
On Sep 29, 2014 11:02 PM, "John Meacham"

Yes, that is the semantics I use for recursive module imports in jhc. And
you are right in that it does not accept those examples due to being unable
to bootstrap the least fixed point.
How would the 'as M' proposal interact? Would it actually be new entries in
the name table or rewritten as a macro to the current module name? I can
see some edge cases where it makes a difference. I am thinking the easiest
would be to populate entries for all the M.toplevel names where toplevel
are the top level definitions of the module, will implement it and see how
it shakes out.
John
On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 5:18 AM, Iavor Diatchki
Hello,
What semantics are you using for recursive modules? As far as I see, if you take a least fixed point semantics (e.g. as described in "A Formal Specification for the Haskell 98 Module System", http://yav.github.io/publications/modules98.pdf ) this program is incorrect as the module does not export anything.
While this may seem a bit counter intuitive at first, this semantics has the benefit of being precise, easily specified, and uniform (e.g it does not require any special treatment of the " current " module). As an example, consider the following variation of your program, where I just moved the definition in a sperate (still recursive) module:
module A (M.x) where import B as M
module B (M.x) where import A as M x = True
I think that it'd be quite confusing if a single recursive module worked differently then a larger recursive group, but it is not at all obvious why B should export 'x'. And for those who like this kind of puzzle: what should happen if 'A' also had a definition for 'x'?
Iavor On Sep 29, 2014 11:02 PM, "John Meacham"
wrote: You don't need a new language construct, what i do is:
module AnnoyinglyLongModuleName (M.length, M.null) where
import AnnoyinglongLongModuleName as M
I think ghc would need to be extended a little to make this convienient as it doesn't handle recursive module imports as transparently.
John
On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Brandon Allbery
wrote: On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 4:19 AM, Herbert Valerio Riedel
wrote: Now it'd be great if I could do the following instead:
module AnnoyinglyLongModuleName (M.length, M.null) where
import AnnoyinglyLongModuleName as M -- <- does not work
I think if I wanted this syntax, I'd go for:
module AnnoyinglyLongModuleName as M where ...
-- brandon s allbery kf8nh sine nomine associates allbery.b@gmail.com ballbery@sinenomine.net unix, openafs, kerberos, infrastructure, xmonad http://sinenomine.net
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