Ah yes. I looked too quickly. Note that there are two NthCo's listed. Its the outermost that's the problem, which is deconstructing the Union. But it's doing so to prove that '["thres" :-> Int] ~ '["thres" :-> Int] which is rather easy to prove without NthCo. I'm not sure why GHC is doing this. Richard On Nov 18, 2015, at 12:11 PM, Jan Bracker wrote:

Hi Richard,

No "Split" is a class and is defined here: http://hackage.haskell.org/package/effect-monad-0.6.1/docs/Control-Effect-St... "Union" is a type function (synonym that refers to a type function call): http://hackage.haskell.org/package/effect-monad-0.6.1/docs/Control-Effect-Wr...

thank you for your quick reply!

Best, Jan

2015-11-18 17:05 GMT+00:00 Richard Eisenberg : I took just a quick look at this. Is Split a type family? The NthCo coercion form takes apart a composite equality into its pieces. For example, if we know (Maybe a ~ Maybe b), then NthCo:0 will tell us that (a ~ b). In your case, it looks like GHC is trying to deduce (Union '["thres" :-> Int] []) ~ (Union '["thres" :-> Int] (Unit Reader)) from an equality of two (Split ...) types. If Split is a type family, this deduction is unsound. That may be what Core Lint is worried about.

I'm not surprised that the executable would run with an error. But it might not in the future. If -dcore-lint fails, it means that there is a potential type safety issue in the Core code, and this should be taken seriously.

I hope this helps! Richard

On Nov 18, 2015, at 11:35 AM, Jan Bracker wrote:

...

Hi,

I am using the type checker plugin interface and I am trying to produce some evidence for type class instances. During compilation of one of my examples I get this core-lint error:

*** Core Lint errors : in result of Simplifier *** <no location info>: Warning: [RHS of ds_a6bY :: (Set '["thres" :-> Int], Set (Unit Reader))] Bad getNth: Nth:0 (Nth:2 (Sub (Sym (TFCo:R:Inv[]Readerfg[0] <'["thres" :-> Int]>_N <'[]>_N)) ; (Inv <Reader>_N <'["thres" :-> Int]>_N (Sym TFCo:R:Unit[]Reader[0]))_R ; Sub (TFCo:R:Inv[]Readerfg[0] <'["thres" :-> Int]>_N <Unit Reader>_N))) Split '["thres" :-> Int] '[] (Union '["thres" :-> Int] '[]) Split '["thres" :-> Int] (Unit Reader) (Union '["thres" :-> Int] (Unit Reader))

I suppose "getNth" refers to the constructor "EvTupleSel" from "EvTerm", "TcNthCo" from "TcCoercion" or to "NthCo" from "Coercion". But I never produce evidence of the shape "getNth". My evidence production code can be found at [1] and the only place where evidence of this shape can come from is my "evaluateType" function [2] that calls "normaliseType" from the GHC module "FamInstEnv". You can reproduce the error by checking out commit 144525886ec107af6f1283b26b19f8125c980aa4 from [3] and running "make effect-example" in the top directory of the repository (GHC 7.10 or better is required and a sandbox is automatically created).

The core-lint error does not seem to have any negative consequences when ignored. The produced executable works fine. Can somebody explain why it appears and maybe how I can fix it?

Thank you! Jan

[1] https://github.com/jbracker/polymonad-plugin/blob/144525886ec107af6f1283b26b... [2] https://github.com/jbracker/polymonad-plugin/blob/144525886ec107af6f1283b26b... [3] https://github.com/jbracker/polymonad-plugin _______________________________________________ ghc-devs mailing list ghc-devs@haskell.org http://mail.haskell.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ghc-devs

On Nov 18, 2015, at 12:19 PM, Jan Bracker wrote:

As far as I understand your explanation this should not lead to an error, although it is not the most obvious coercion. Is that right?

That's what it seems to be, in this particular case. But I'd be nervous with this result and would want further examination. My next port of call in your shoes would be to run with -ddump-tc-trace. I'm afraid I don't have the time right now to walk through that with you, though -- sorry! Richard

Do you or anybody else have a suggestion on how to resolve this issue?

2015-11-18 17:13 GMT+00:00 Richard Eisenberg : Ah yes. I looked too quickly. Note that there are two NthCo's listed. Its the outermost that's the problem, which is deconstructing the Union. But it's doing so to prove that '["thres" :-> Int] ~ '["thres" :-> Int] which is rather easy to prove without NthCo. I'm not sure why GHC is doing this.

Richard

On Nov 18, 2015, at 12:11 PM, Jan Bracker wrote:

...

Hi Richard,

No "Split" is a class and is defined here: http://hackage.haskell.org/package/effect-monad-0.6.1/docs/Control-Effect-St... "Union" is a type function (synonym that refers to a type function call): http://hackage.haskell.org/package/effect-monad-0.6.1/docs/Control-Effect-Wr...

thank you for your quick reply!

Best, Jan

2015-11-18 17:05 GMT+00:00 Richard Eisenberg : I took just a quick look at this. Is Split a type family? The NthCo coercion form takes apart a composite equality into its pieces. For example, if we know (Maybe a ~ Maybe b), then NthCo:0 will tell us that (a ~ b). In your case, it looks like GHC is trying to deduce (Union '["thres" :-> Int] []) ~ (Union '["thres" :-> Int] (Unit Reader)) from an equality of two (Split ...) types. If Split is a type family, this deduction is unsound. That may be what Core Lint is worried about.

I'm not surprised that the executable would run with an error. But it might not in the future. If -dcore-lint fails, it means that there is a potential type safety issue in the Core code, and this should be taken seriously.

I hope this helps! Richard

On Nov 18, 2015, at 11:35 AM, Jan Bracker wrote:

...

Hi,

I am using the type checker plugin interface and I am trying to produce some evidence for type class instances. During compilation of one of my examples I get this core-lint error:

*** Core Lint errors : in result of Simplifier *** <no location info>: Warning: [RHS of ds_a6bY :: (Set '["thres" :-> Int], Set (Unit Reader))] Bad getNth: Nth:0 (Nth:2 (Sub (Sym (TFCo:R:Inv[]Readerfg[0] <'["thres" :-> Int]>_N <'[]>_N)) ; (Inv <Reader>_N <'["thres" :-> Int]>_N (Sym TFCo:R:Unit[]Reader[0]))_R ; Sub (TFCo:R:Inv[]Readerfg[0] <'["thres" :-> Int]>_N <Unit Reader>_N))) Split '["thres" :-> Int] '[] (Union '["thres" :-> Int] '[]) Split '["thres" :-> Int] (Unit Reader) (Union '["thres" :-> Int] (Unit Reader))

I suppose "getNth" refers to the constructor "EvTupleSel" from "EvTerm", "TcNthCo" from "TcCoercion" or to "NthCo" from "Coercion". But I never produce evidence of the shape "getNth". My evidence production code can be found at [1] and the only place where evidence of this shape can come from is my "evaluateType" function [2] that calls "normaliseType" from the GHC module "FamInstEnv". You can reproduce the error by checking out commit 144525886ec107af6f1283b26b19f8125c980aa4 from [3] and running "make effect-example" in the top directory of the repository (GHC 7.10 or better is required and a sandbox is automatically created).

The core-lint error does not seem to have any negative consequences when ignored. The produced executable works fine. Can somebody explain why it appears and maybe how I can fix it?

Thank you! Jan

[1] https://github.com/jbracker/polymonad-plugin/blob/144525886ec107af6f1283b26b... [2] https://github.com/jbracker/polymonad-plugin/blob/144525886ec107af6f1283b26b... [3] https://github.com/jbracker/polymonad-plugin _______________________________________________ ghc-devs mailing list ghc-devs@haskell.org http://mail.haskell.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ghc-devs

I have condensed a self-contained plugin and an example application that reproduces the error. You can find it here: https://github.com/jbracker/polymonad-plugin/tree/master/examples/core-error You just have to download the three files and run "cabal install" to reproduce the error. There is a high-level explanation of what is going on in [1]. The plugin [2] is still around 600 lines long, but I have added a lot of comments to make it comprehensible. I suppose the most interesting part is the production of evidence [3]. I have added checks to see if the evidence I produce contains the 'Nth' constructors the core-linter refers to [4,5], but the evidence produced does not contain them. So somehow the evidence triggers GHC to produce evidence that the core-linter warns about. I hope this is comprehensible and you can help me with what is going on. Best, Jan [1] https://github.com/jbracker/polymonad-plugin/blob/master/examples/core-error... [2] https://github.com/jbracker/polymonad-plugin/blob/master/examples/core-error... [3] https://github.com/jbracker/polymonad-plugin/blob/master/examples/core-error... [4] https://github.com/jbracker/polymonad-plugin/blob/master/examples/core-error... [5] https://github.com/jbracker/polymonad-plugin/blob/master/examples/core-error... 2015-11-20 9:57 GMT+00:00 Simon Peyton Jones :

I don’t know how to help either, because there’s no way to reproduce it. Can you find a Haskell program that, when GHC compiles it, produces this Lint error? Or does it require your plugin? If the latter, it’s hard to know what your plugin might be doing…

So I feel a bit stalled on how to help.

Simon

*From:* ghc-devs [mailto:ghc-devs-bounces@haskell.org] *On Behalf Of *Richard Eisenberg *Sent:* 18 November 2015 17:14 *To:* Jan Bracker *Cc:* ghc-devs@haskell.org *Subject:* Re: Explanation of a core-lint warning (Bad getNth)

Ah yes. I looked too quickly. Note that there are two NthCo's listed. Its the outermost that's the problem, which is deconstructing the Union. But it's doing so to prove that '["thres" :-> Int] ~ '["thres" :-> Int] which is rather easy to prove without NthCo. I'm not sure why GHC is doing this.

Richard

On Nov 18, 2015, at 12:11 PM, Jan Bracker wrote:

Hi Richard,

No "Split" is a class and is defined here: http://hackage.haskell.org/package/effect-monad-0.6.1/docs/Control-Effect-St... https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fhackage.haskell.org%2fpackage%2feffect-monad-0.6.1%2fdocs%2fControl-Effect-State.html%23t%3aSplit&data=01%7c01%7csimonpj%40064d.mgd.microsoft.com%7c7aa4db864c994205421c08d2f03ba9ca%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=FKQH9CvKCu6KszP1JbOnXOiu4DhhdgpRPWol6zQG41o%3d

"Union" is a type function (synonym that refers to a type function call): http://hackage.haskell.org/package/effect-monad-0.6.1/docs/Control-Effect-Wr... https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fhackage.haskell.org%2fpackage%2feffect-monad-0.6.1%2fdocs%2fControl-Effect-Writer.html%23t%3aUnion&data=01%7c01%7csimonpj%40064d.mgd.microsoft.com%7c7aa4db864c994205421c08d2f03ba9ca%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=%2f174TvSeTQ8J%2bAw3VXtSzNKsy8JpFsfDffQvkD7WtkE%3d

thank you for your quick reply!

Best,

Jan

2015-11-18 17:05 GMT+00:00 Richard Eisenberg :

I took just a quick look at this. Is Split a type family? The NthCo coercion form takes apart a composite equality into its pieces. For example, if we know (Maybe a ~ Maybe b), then NthCo:0 will tell us that (a ~ b). In your case, it looks like GHC is trying to deduce (Union '["thres" :-> Int] []) ~ (Union '["thres" :-> Int] (Unit Reader)) from an equality of two (Split ...) types. If Split is a type family, this deduction is unsound. That may be what Core Lint is worried about.

I'm not surprised that the executable would run with an error. But it might not in the future. If -dcore-lint fails, it means that there is a potential type safety issue in the Core code, and this should be taken seriously.

I hope this helps!

Richard

On Nov 18, 2015, at 11:35 AM, Jan Bracker wrote:

Hi,

I am using the type checker plugin interface and I am trying to produce some evidence for type class instances. During compilation of one of my examples I get this core-lint error:

*** Core Lint errors : in result of Simplifier ***

<no location info>: Warning:

[RHS of ds_a6bY :: (Set '["thres" :-> Int], Set (Unit Reader))]

Bad getNth:

Nth:0

(Nth:2

(Sub (Sym (TFCo:R:Inv[]Readerfg[0] <'["thres" :-> Int]>_N <'[]>_N))

; (Inv

<Reader>_N <'["thres" :-> Int]>_N (Sym TFCo:R:Unit[]Reader[0]))_R

; Sub

(TFCo:R:Inv[]Readerfg[0] <'["thres" :-> Int]>_N <Unit Reader>_N)))

Split '["thres" :-> Int] '[] (Union '["thres" :-> Int] '[])

Split

'["thres" :-> Int]

(Unit Reader)

(Union '["thres" :-> Int] (Unit Reader))

I suppose "getNth" refers to the constructor "EvTupleSel" from "EvTerm", "TcNthCo" from "TcCoercion" or to "NthCo" from "Coercion". But I never produce evidence of the shape "getNth". My evidence production code can be found at [1] and the only place where evidence of this shape can come from is my "evaluateType" function [2] that calls "normaliseType" from the GHC module "FamInstEnv". You can reproduce the error by checking out commit 144525886ec107af6f1283b26b19f8125c980aa4 from [3] and running "make effect-example" in the top directory of the repository (GHC 7.10 or better is required and a sandbox is automatically created).

The core-lint error does not seem to have any negative consequences when ignored. The produced executable works fine. Can somebody explain why it appears and maybe how I can fix it?

Thank you!

Jan

[1] https://github.com/jbracker/polymonad-plugin/blob/144525886ec107af6f1283b26b...

[2] https://github.com/jbracker/polymonad-plugin/blob/144525886ec107af6f1283b26b...

[3] https://github.com/jbracker/polymonad-plugin

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I have created Ticket #11435. I am still not sure if I am producing incorrect evidence or if there really is an issue with GHC, but I would expect GHC to tell me if the evidence I produced does not make sense. [1] https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/11435 2016-01-15 14:15 GMT+00:00 Simon Peyton Jones :

Maybe put this all on a ticket?

Everyone: would someone like to dig into this? I’m so under water that I just can’t

Simon

*From:* Jan Bracker [mailto:jan.bracker@googlemail.com] *Sent:* 15 January 2016 14:03 *To:* Simon Peyton Jones *Cc:* Richard Eisenberg ; ghc-devs@haskell.org

*Subject:* Re: Explanation of a core-lint warning (Bad getNth)

I have condensed a self-contained plugin and an example application that reproduces the error. You can find it here:

https://github.com/jbracker/polymonad-plugin/tree/master/examples/core-error

You just have to download the three files and run "cabal install" to reproduce the error. There is a high-level explanation of

what is going on in [1]. The plugin [2] is still around 600 lines long, but I have added a lot of comments to make it comprehensible.

I suppose the most interesting part is the production of evidence [3]. I have added checks to see if the evidence I produce contains the 'Nth' constructors the core-linter refers to [4,5], but the evidence produced does not contain them. So somehow the evidence triggers GHC to produce evidence that the core-linter warns about.

I hope this is comprehensible and you can help me with what is going on.

Best,

Jan

[1] https://github.com/jbracker/polymonad-plugin/blob/master/examples/core-error...

[2] https://github.com/jbracker/polymonad-plugin/blob/master/examples/core-error...

[3] https://github.com/jbracker/polymonad-plugin/blob/master/examples/core-error...

[4] https://github.com/jbracker/polymonad-plugin/blob/master/examples/core-error...

[5] https://github.com/jbracker/polymonad-plugin/blob/master/examples/core-error...

2015-11-20 9:57 GMT+00:00 Simon Peyton Jones :

I don’t know how to help either, because there’s no way to reproduce it. Can you find a Haskell program that, when GHC compiles it, produces this Lint error? Or does it require your plugin? If the latter, it’s hard to know what your plugin might be doing…

So I feel a bit stalled on how to help.

Simon

*From:* ghc-devs [mailto:ghc-devs-bounces@haskell.org] *On Behalf Of *Richard Eisenberg *Sent:* 18 November 2015 17:14 *To:* Jan Bracker *Cc:* ghc-devs@haskell.org *Subject:* Re: Explanation of a core-lint warning (Bad getNth)

Ah yes. I looked too quickly. Note that there are two NthCo's listed. Its the outermost that's the problem, which is deconstructing the Union. But it's doing so to prove that '["thres" :-> Int] ~ '["thres" :-> Int] which is rather easy to prove without NthCo. I'm not sure why GHC is doing this.

Richard

On Nov 18, 2015, at 12:11 PM, Jan Bracker wrote:

Hi Richard,

No "Split" is a class and is defined here: http://hackage.haskell.org/package/effect-monad-0.6.1/docs/Control-Effect-St... https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fhackage.haskell.org%2fpackage%2feffect-monad-0.6.1%2fdocs%2fControl-Effect-State.html%23t%3aSplit&data=01%7c01%7csimonpj%40064d.mgd.microsoft.com%7c7aa4db864c994205421c08d2f03ba9ca%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=FKQH9CvKCu6KszP1JbOnXOiu4DhhdgpRPWol6zQG41o%3d

"Union" is a type function (synonym that refers to a type function call): http://hackage.haskell.org/package/effect-monad-0.6.1/docs/Control-Effect-Wr... https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fhackage.haskell.org%2fpackage%2feffect-monad-0.6.1%2fdocs%2fControl-Effect-Writer.html%23t%3aUnion&data=01%7c01%7csimonpj%40064d.mgd.microsoft.com%7c7aa4db864c994205421c08d2f03ba9ca%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=%2f174TvSeTQ8J%2bAw3VXtSzNKsy8JpFsfDffQvkD7WtkE%3d

thank you for your quick reply!

Best,

Jan

2015-11-18 17:05 GMT+00:00 Richard Eisenberg :

I took just a quick look at this. Is Split a type family? The NthCo coercion form takes apart a composite equality into its pieces. For example, if we know (Maybe a ~ Maybe b), then NthCo:0 will tell us that (a ~ b). In your case, it looks like GHC is trying to deduce (Union '["thres" :-> Int] []) ~ (Union '["thres" :-> Int] (Unit Reader)) from an equality of two (Split ...) types. If Split is a type family, this deduction is unsound. That may be what Core Lint is worried about.

I'm not surprised that the executable would run with an error. But it might not in the future. If -dcore-lint fails, it means that there is a potential type safety issue in the Core code, and this should be taken seriously.

I hope this helps!

Richard

On Nov 18, 2015, at 11:35 AM, Jan Bracker wrote:

Hi,

I am using the type checker plugin interface and I am trying to produce some evidence for type class instances. During compilation of one of my examples I get this core-lint error:

*** Core Lint errors : in result of Simplifier ***

<no location info>: Warning:

[RHS of ds_a6bY :: (Set '["thres" :-> Int], Set (Unit Reader))]

Bad getNth:

Nth:0

(Nth:2

(Sub (Sym (TFCo:R:Inv[]Readerfg[0] <'["thres" :-> Int]>_N <'[]>_N))

; (Inv

<Reader>_N <'["thres" :-> Int]>_N (Sym TFCo:R:Unit[]Reader[0]))_R

; Sub

(TFCo:R:Inv[]Readerfg[0] <'["thres" :-> Int]>_N <Unit Reader>_N)))

Split '["thres" :-> Int] '[] (Union '["thres" :-> Int] '[])

Split

'["thres" :-> Int]

(Unit Reader)

(Union '["thres" :-> Int] (Unit Reader))

I suppose "getNth" refers to the constructor "EvTupleSel" from "EvTerm", "TcNthCo" from "TcCoercion" or to "NthCo" from "Coercion". But I never produce evidence of the shape "getNth". My evidence production code can be found at [1] and the only place where evidence of this shape can come from is my "evaluateType" function [2] that calls "normaliseType" from the GHC module "FamInstEnv". You can reproduce the error by checking out commit 144525886ec107af6f1283b26b19f8125c980aa4 from [3] and running "make effect-example" in the top directory of the repository (GHC 7.10 or better is required and a sandbox is automatically created).

The core-lint error does not seem to have any negative consequences when ignored. The produced executable works fine. Can somebody explain why it appears and maybe how I can fix it?

Thank you!

Jan

[1] https://github.com/jbracker/polymonad-plugin/blob/144525886ec107af6f1283b26b...

[2] https://github.com/jbracker/polymonad-plugin/blob/144525886ec107af6f1283b26b...

[3] https://github.com/jbracker/polymonad-plugin

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Hard-coding the exact base version was a stupid mistake, sorry. I relaxed that and reattached a new version of the files to the ticket. It seems that 'effect-monad's dependency on 'type-level-sets' is a bit to liberal, because the module structure and exports of that package changed between versions. I hard-coded the correct version of 'type-level-set' into the cabal file of the example. I did not get this, because I share a sandbox between my main project and the examples (and its been around for some time now). Seems like 'effect-monad' is bitrotting a bit... I did not test these changes on 7.10.3, because I currently only have version 7.10.2 installed. 2016-01-15 22:30 GMT+00:00 Thomas Miedema :

On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 3:03 PM, Jan Bracker wrote:

...

You just have to download the three files and run "cabal install" to reproduce the error.

It's never that easy, is it? Can you try in a cabal sandbox, with ghc-7.10.3. I'm getting:

cabal: Could not resolve dependencies: trying: core-error-0.1 (user goal) next goal: base (dependency of core-error-0.1) rejecting: base-4.8.2.0/installed-0d6... (conflict: core-error => base==4.8.1.0) rejecting: base-4.8.1.0, base-4.8.0.0, base-4.7.0.2, base-4.7.0.1, base-4.7.0.0, base-4.6.0.1, base-4.6.0.0, base-4.5.1.0, base-4.5.0.0, base-4.4.1.0, base-4.4.0.0, base-4.3.1.0, base-4.3.0.0, base-4.2.0.2, base-4.2.0.1, base-4.2.0.0, base-4.1.0.0, base-4.0.0.0, base-3.0.3.2, base-3.0.3.1 (constraint from main config /home/thomas/.cabal/config requires installed instance) Dependency tree exhaustively searched.

After relaxing the depenency on base (or is the problem only reproducible with base 4.8.1.0 that, in case we are done here), I get:

Preprocessing library effect-monad-0.6.1...

src/Control/Effect/State.hs:4:14: Warning: -XOverlappingInstances is deprecated: instead use per-instance pragmas OVERLAPPING/OVERLAPPABLE/OVERLAPS [ 1 of 17] Compiling Control.Effect.Helpers.List ( src/Control/Effect/Helpers/List.hs, dist/build/Control/Effect/Helpers/List.o ) [ 2 of 17] Compiling Control.Effect.Cond ( src/Control/Effect/Cond.hs, dist/build/Control/Effect/Cond.o ) [ 3 of 17] Compiling Control.Effect ( src/Control/Effect.hs, dist/build/Control/Effect.o ) [ 4 of 17] Compiling Control.Effect.Counter ( src/Control/Effect/Counter.hs, dist/build/Control/Effect/Counter.o ) [ 5 of 17] Compiling Control.Effect.CounterNat ( src/Control/Effect/CounterNat.hs, dist/build/Control/Effect/CounterNat.o ) [ 6 of 17] Compiling Control.Effect.Maybe ( src/Control/Effect/Maybe.hs, dist/build/Control/Effect/Maybe.o ) [ 7 of 17] Compiling Control.Effect.Monad ( src/Control/Effect/Monad.hs, dist/build/Control/Effect/Monad.o ) [ 8 of 17] Compiling Control.Effect.Parameterised ( src/Control/Effect/Parameterised.hs, dist/build/Control/Effect/Parameterised.o ) [ 9 of 17] Compiling Control.Effect.Reader ( src/Control/Effect/Reader.hs, dist/build/Control/Effect/Reader.o )

src/Control/Effect/Reader.hs:33:8: Not in scope: type constructor or class ‘Var’

src/Control/Effect/Reader.hs:33:28: Not in scope: type constructor or class ‘:->’

src/Control/Effect/Reader.hs:34:5: Not in scope: data constructor ‘Var’

src/Control/Effect/Reader.hs:34:24: Not in scope: data constructor ‘Var’

src/Control/Effect/Reader.hs:34:28: Not in scope: data constructor ‘:->’ Failed to install effect-monad-0.6.1