End of Windows Vista support in GHC-8.6?

Hi! Given that Vista’s EOL was in April 2017 https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/22882/windows-vista-end-of-support i assume that there’s no intention to keep supporting it in GHC-8.6!? I’m asking because I intend to use a function https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/dd405488.aspx that requires Windows 7 or newer for #13362 https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/13362. Ending Vista support would also allow us to remove some workarounds https://github.com/ghc/ghc/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=Vista mostly in RTS. Best, Simon

Simon Jakobi via ghc-devs
Hi!
Given that Vista’s EOL was in April 2017 https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/22882/windows-vista-end-of-support i assume that there’s no intention to keep supporting it in GHC-8.6!?
I’m asking because I intend to use a function https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/dd405488.aspx that requires Windows 7 or newer for #13362 https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/13362.
Given that it's EOL'd, dropping Vista sounds reasonable to me. Tamar, any objection? Cheers, - Ben

On Mon, Mar 5, 2018, 17:23 Ben Gamari
Simon Jakobi via ghc-devs
writes: Hi!
Given that Vista’s EOL was in April 2017 < https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/22882/windows-vista-end-of-support
i assume that there’s no intention to keep supporting it in GHC-8.6!?
I’m asking because I intend to use a function https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/dd405488.aspx that requires Windows 7 or newer for #13362 https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/13362.
Given that it's EOL'd, dropping Vista sounds reasonable to me.
Tamar, any objection?
No objections, however do make sure to test both 32 and 64 bit builds of ghc when you use the API, it's new enough and rare enough that it may not be implemented in both mingw-64 tool chains (we've had similar issues before). Thanks, Tamar
Cheers,
- Ben

Thanks everyone!
I have updated https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/wiki/Platforms/Windows
accordingly.
Cheers,
Simon
2018-03-05 18:29 GMT+01:00 Phyx
On Mon, Mar 5, 2018, 17:23 Ben Gamari
wrote: Simon Jakobi via ghc-devs
writes: Hi!
Given that Vista’s EOL was in April 2017 <https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/22882/windows- vista-end-of-support> i assume that there’s no intention to keep supporting it in GHC-8.6!?
I’m asking because I intend to use a function <https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/dd405488.aspx
that requires Windows 7 or newer for #13362 https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/13362.
Given that it's EOL'd, dropping Vista sounds reasonable to me.
Tamar, any objection?
No objections, however do make sure to test both 32 and 64 bit builds of ghc when you use the API, it's new enough and rare enough that it may not be implemented in both mingw-64 tool chains (we've had similar issues before).
Thanks, Tamar
Cheers,
- Ben

Hi Simon,
Whatever happened to this? The wiki was updated but I don't see a commit
actually removing vista support.
Did you end up not doing this anymore?
Thanks,
Tamar
On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 7:21 PM, Simon Jakobi
Thanks everyone!
I have updated https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/wiki/Platforms/Windows accordingly.
Cheers, Simon
2018-03-05 18:29 GMT+01:00 Phyx
: On Mon, Mar 5, 2018, 17:23 Ben Gamari
wrote: Simon Jakobi via ghc-devs
writes: Hi!
Given that Vista’s EOL was in April 2017 <https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/22882/windows-vist a-end-of-support> i assume that there’s no intention to keep supporting it in GHC-8.6!?
I’m asking because I intend to use a function <https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/dd 405488.aspx> that requires Windows 7 or newer for #13362 https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/13362.
Given that it's EOL'd, dropping Vista sounds reasonable to me.
Tamar, any objection?
No objections, however do make sure to test both 32 and 64 bit builds of ghc when you use the API, it's new enough and rare enough that it may not be implemented in both mingw-64 tool chains (we've had similar issues before).
Thanks, Tamar
Cheers,
- Ben

Thanks for the reminder, Tamar!
I have just created https://phabricator.haskell.org/D4679. I would be
very grateful if you could test it on 32bit Windows.
Cheers,
Simon
2018-05-05 12:07 GMT+02:00 Phyx
Hi Simon,
Whatever happened to this? The wiki was updated but I don't see a commit actually removing vista support.
Did you end up not doing this anymore?
Thanks, Tamar
On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 7:21 PM, Simon Jakobi
wrote: Thanks everyone!
I have updated https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/wiki/Platforms/Windows accordingly.
Cheers, Simon
2018-03-05 18:29 GMT+01:00 Phyx
: On Mon, Mar 5, 2018, 17:23 Ben Gamari
wrote: Simon Jakobi via ghc-devs
writes: Hi!
Given that Vista’s EOL was in April 2017
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/22882/windows-vista-end-of-support i assume that there’s no intention to keep supporting it in GHC-8.6!?
I’m asking because I intend to use a function
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/dd405488.aspx that requires Windows 7 or newer for #13362 https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/13362.
Given that it's EOL'd, dropping Vista sounds reasonable to me.
Tamar, any objection?
No objections, however do make sure to test both 32 and 64 bit builds of ghc when you use the API, it's new enough and rare enough that it may not be implemented in both mingw-64 tool chains (we've had similar issues before).
Thanks, Tamar
Cheers,
- Ben

I’ve started a build, note that you will also need a PR to Hadrian to update WINVER.
From: Simon Jakobi
Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2018 09:49
To: Phyx
Cc: Ben Gamari; ghc-devs@haskell.org Devs
Subject: Re: End of Windows Vista support in GHC-8.6?
Thanks for the reminder, Tamar!
I have just created https://phabricator.haskell.org/D4679. I would be
very grateful if you could test it on 32bit Windows.
Cheers,
Simon
2018-05-05 12:07 GMT+02:00 Phyx
Hi Simon,
Whatever happened to this? The wiki was updated but I don't see a commit actually removing vista support.
Did you end up not doing this anymore?
Thanks, Tamar
On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 7:21 PM, Simon Jakobi
wrote: Thanks everyone!
I have updated https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/wiki/Platforms/Windows accordingly.
Cheers, Simon
2018-03-05 18:29 GMT+01:00 Phyx
: On Mon, Mar 5, 2018, 17:23 Ben Gamari
wrote: Simon Jakobi via ghc-devs
writes: Hi!
Given that Vista’s EOL was in April 2017
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/22882/windows-vista-end-of-support i assume that there’s no intention to keep supporting it in GHC-8.6!?
I’m asking because I intend to use a function
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/dd405488.aspx that requires Windows 7 or newer for #13362 https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/13362.
Given that it's EOL'd, dropping Vista sounds reasonable to me.
Tamar, any objection?
No objections, however do make sure to test both 32 and 64 bit builds of ghc when you use the API, it's new enough and rare enough that it may not be implemented in both mingw-64 tool chains (we've had similar issues before).
Thanks, Tamar
Cheers,
- Ben

Thanks a lot, Tamar! I'll make the PR for Hadrian once my patch is accepted.
2018-05-09 20:12 GMT+02:00
I’ve started a build, note that you will also need a PR to Hadrian to update WINVER.
From: Simon Jakobi Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2018 09:49 To: Phyx Cc: Ben Gamari; ghc-devs@haskell.org Devs Subject: Re: End of Windows Vista support in GHC-8.6?
Thanks for the reminder, Tamar!
I have just created https://phabricator.haskell.org/D4679. I would be
very grateful if you could test it on 32bit Windows.
Cheers,
Simon
2018-05-05 12:07 GMT+02:00 Phyx
: Hi Simon,
Whatever happened to this? The wiki was updated but I don't see a commit
actually removing vista support.
Did you end up not doing this anymore?
Thanks,
Tamar
On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 7:21 PM, Simon Jakobi
wrote:
Thanks everyone!
I have updated https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/wiki/Platforms/Windows
accordingly.
Cheers,
Simon
2018-03-05 18:29 GMT+01:00 Phyx
: On Mon, Mar 5, 2018, 17:23 Ben Gamari
wrote: Simon Jakobi via ghc-devs
writes: Hi!
Given that Vista’s EOL was in April 2017
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/22882/windows-vista-end-of-support
i assume that there’s no intention to keep supporting it in GHC-8.6!?
I’m asking because I intend to use a function
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/dd405488.aspx
that requires Windows 7 or newer for #13362
Given that it's EOL'd, dropping Vista sounds reasonable to me.
Tamar, any objection?
No objections, however do make sure to test both 32 and 64 bit builds of
ghc when you use the API, it's new enough and rare enough that it may not be
implemented in both mingw-64 tool chains (we've had similar issues before).
Thanks,
Tamar
Cheers,
- Ben

2018-03-05 18:29 GMT+01:00 Phyx
No objections, however do make sure to test both 32 and 64 bit builds of ghc when you use the API, it's new enough and rare enough that it may not be implemented in both mingw-64 tool chains (we've had similar issues before).
I've failed repeatedly to do a 32bit build via mingw32 on my 64bit Windows box and I don't have access to a 32bit Windows install. Is there CI for the 32bit Windows version that I could rely on? Thanks, Simon

No we have no CI for it. In my experience to get a 32 bit build you need to
install the full 32bit msys2. Not just the 32bit compiler in the 64 bit
msys2 (two installs can co-exist).
Alternatively of you want when your patch is ready ping me (@Mistuke om
phabricator) and I'll run a build for you then.
On Tue, Mar 6, 2018, 18:27 Simon Jakobi
2018-03-05 18:29 GMT+01:00 Phyx
: No objections, however do make sure to test both 32 and 64 bit builds of ghc when you use the API, it's new enough and rare enough that it may not be implemented in both mingw-64 tool chains (we've had similar issues before).
I've failed repeatedly to do a 32bit build via mingw32 on my 64bit Windows box and I don't have access to a 32bit Windows install.
Is there CI for the 32bit Windows version that I could rely on?
Thanks, Simon

On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 8:10 AM, Phyx
In my experience to get a 32 bit build you need to install the full 32bit msys2. Not just the 32bit compiler in the 64 bit msys2 (two installs can co-exist).
That's also my experience on appveyor (but I'm not compiling GHC itself): https://github.com/LambdaHack/LambdaHack/blob/master/appveyor.yml#L50 Both versions of msys2 are present and I need to set path to the 32 version to compile for 32bit. In this way I'm able to generate both 64bit and 32bit binaries in a single appveyor run.
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