Re: [ghc-steering-committee] #409: Exportable named defaults, Recommendation: Partial Accept

I have commented on GitHub with my thoughts here: https://github.com/ghc-proposals/ghc-proposals/pull/409#issuecomment-8482210... https://github.com/ghc-proposals/ghc-proposals/pull/409#issuecomment-8482210... Thanks, Richard

On May 20, 2021, at 11:24 AM, Alejandro Serrano Mena wrote:

Hi all,

I agree with the recommendations of accepting (1) and rejecting (2) and (3). The Report here (https://www.haskell.org/onlinereport/haskell2010/haskellch4.html#x10-790004.... https://www.haskell.org/onlinereport/haskell2010/haskellch4.html#x10-790004....) mentions that defaults are local to a module, and I think this is the right move, even more so since we can think of other ways of importing/exporting defaults, like plug-ins.

Alejandro

El 19 may 2021 4:11:48, Eric Seidel mailto:eric@seidel.io> escribió: Hi all,

Mario has proposed a handful of language extensions around type defaulting.

1. NamedDefaults: this extension simply allows specifying the class to default, instead of it always being Num (or a handful of other hardcoded classes if one enables ExtendedDefaultRules). The rule only applies to the current module, as usual.

2. ExportedDefaults: this extension allows exporting defaulting rules.

3. ImportedDefaults: this extension makes import declarations pull in defaulting rules implicitly, like class instances.

Extensions (2) and (3) work together to provide a mechanism for sharing sets of defaulting rules across modules. It is possible to import conflicting sets of defaulting rules from different modules, in that case the conflict must be resolved manually by the importing module, with a new defaulting rule.

My recommendation is that we

* Accept extension (1), as it is a clear improvement over the status quo and can stand on its own.

* Reject (without prejudice) extensions (2) and (3). These extensions bring considerable extra complexity and another orphan-like mechanism. There's an open question here of whether defaulting rules should be globally coherent like type classes, or if they're something different; the discussion has arguments for both sides. I'm not sure, and so I recommend we don't commit ourselves one way or the other for now.

Please take a look at the proposal.

Discussion: https://github.com/ghc-proposals/ghc-proposals/pull/409 https://github.com/ghc-proposals/ghc-proposals/pull/409 Proposal: https://github.com/blamario/ghc-proposals/blob/exportable-named-default/prop... https://github.com/blamario/ghc-proposals/blob/exportable-named-default/prop...

Eric

On Sun, Apr 4, 2021, at 06:34, Joachim Breitner wrote:

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Dear Committe,

Exportable named defaults has been proposed by Mario https://github.com/ghc-proposals/ghc-proposals/pull/409 https://github.com/ghc-proposals/ghc-proposals/pull/409 https://github.com/blamario/ghc-proposals/blob/exportable-named-default/prop... https://github.com/blamario/ghc-proposals/blob/exportable-named-default/prop...

I propose Eric as the Shepherd.

This did not gather a lot of attention on Github, or rather none, so Eric, maybe also consider whether this needs to be advertised more, or maybe who should be pointed to it.

Please guide us to a conclusion as outlined in https://github.com/ghc-proposals/ghc-proposals#committee-process https://github.com/ghc-proposals/ghc-proposals#committee-process

Thanks, Joachim -- -- Joachim Breitner mail@joachim-breitner.de mailto:mail@joachim-breitner.de http://www.joachim-breitner.de/ http://www.joachim-breitner.de/

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