June 2002 - Glasgow-haskell-users

RE: Updating the net package
by D.J.Steinitz 13 Jun '02

13 Jun '02

> Ok but in that case the revisions and branches reported by=20 > cvs stat seem to be > different than those in the web page. For example, cvs stat reports=20 > ghc-5-02-2 as revision 1.12.2.4 but the web page only has a=20 > revision 1.12. > How do the web pages tie up with what you get from cvs checkout? The CVS web interface shows all the revisions for me... =20 http://cvs.haskell.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/fptools/hslibs/net/Attic/Socke tPrim.hsc I wasn't going into Attic. I went into Network! They are in date order rather than the branch order you get from 'cvs log', though. Cheers, Simon I ran ./configure and got an error. Here's the end of the output: checking for end of text section marker... (cached) data_start checking for end of text section marker declaration... (cached) data_start checking for end of data section marker... (cached) end checking for end of data section marker declaration... (cached) end checking if code section appears before data... (cached) yes creating ./config.status creating mk/config.mk creating mk/config.h mk/config.h is unchanged configuring in ghc running /bin/sh ./configure --cache-file=.././config.cache --srcdir=. ./configure: ./configure: No such file or directory configure: error: ./configure failed for ghc Dominic.

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RE: Updating the net package
by Simon Marlow 13 Jun '02

13 Jun '02

> Ok but in that case the revisions and branches reported by > cvs stat seem to be > different than those in the web page. For example, cvs stat reports > ghc-5-02-2 as revision 1.12.2.4 but the web page only has a > revision 1.12. > How do the web pages tie up with what you get from cvs checkout? The CVS web interface shows all the revisions for me... http://cvs.haskell.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/fptools/hslibs/net/Attic/Socke tPrim.hsc They are in date order rather than the branch order you get from 'cvs log', though. Cheers, Simon

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RE: Updating the net package
by D.J.Steinitz 13 Jun '02

13 Jun '02

> However, I'm still confused. If I look at >=20 > http://cvs.haskell.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/fptools/libraries/network/Netw ork/Socket.hsc > > then it although it has a different name it says it's the same thing and I > couldn't find anything called SocketPrim.hsc. The network library moved from hslibs/net to libraries/network after version 5.02.x. libraries/network/Network/Socket.hsc is what used to be hslibs/net/SocketPrim.hsc. The contents of hslibs/net is now just stubs that re-export the new libraries, so someone using the old interface still gets the same stuff. Ok but in that case the revisions and branches reported by cvs stat seem to be different than those in the web page. For example, cvs stat reports ghc-5-02-2 as revision 1.12.2.4 but the web page only has a revision 1.12. How do the web pages tie up with what you get from cvs checkout? > I think from what you said in one of your previous emails that I need to > build the whole of ghc. Am I correct? If so I think I follow the > instructions in the building guide unless there is some other documentation > you think I should look at? The building guide is the right place to look. Cheers, Simon

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RE: Updating the net package
by Simon Marlow 13 Jun '02

13 Jun '02

> However, I'm still confused. If I look at > > http://cvs.haskell.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/fptools/libraries/network/Netw ork/Socket.hsc > > then it although it has a different name it says it's the same thing and I > couldn't find anything called SocketPrim.hsc. The network library moved from hslibs/net to libraries/network after version 5.02.x. libraries/network/Network/Socket.hsc is what used to be hslibs/net/SocketPrim.hsc. The contents of hslibs/net is now just stubs that re-export the new libraries, so someone using the old interface still gets the same stuff. > I think from what you said in one of your previous emails that I need to > build the whole of ghc. Am I correct? If so I think I follow the > instructions in the building guide unless there is some other documentation > you think I should look at? The building guide is the right place to look. Cheers, Simon

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Updating the net package
by D.J.Steinitz 13 Jun '02

13 Jun '02

Simon, Thanks. I think I've got the right sources. 288 export CVSROOT=:pserver:anoncvs@glass.cse.ogi.edu:/cvs 290 cvs login 334 cvs checkout -rghc-5-02-branch fpconfig 335 cd fptools/ 336 cvs checkout -rghc-5-02-branch ghc 337 cvs checkout -rghc-5-02-branch hslibs 338 ls 339 cd hslibs/ 340 ls 341 cd net/ 342 ls 343 cvs stat -v SocketPrim.hsc =================================================================== File: SocketPrim.hsc Status: Up-to-date Working revision: 1.12.2.5 Repository revision: 1.12.2.5 /cvs/fptools/hslibs/net/Attic/SocketPrim.hsc,v Sticky Tag: ghc-5-02-branch (branch: 1.12.2) Sticky Date: (none) Sticky Options: (none) Existing Tags: ghc-5-02-galois-branch (branch: 1.12.2.5.2) ghc-5-02-3 (revision: 1.12.2.5) ghc-ndp2-updated-from-trunk1 (revision: 1.21) ghc-ndp2-trunk-merge-frontier (revision: 1.21) ghc-ndp-branch2 (branch: 1.21.4) before-ghc-ndp2 (revision: 1.21) ghc-ndp-branch-merge1 (revision: 1.16) ghc-newer-usagesp-aftermerge (revision: 1.21) before-newer-usagesp-mergedto (revision: 1.21) ghc-newer-usagesp-beforemerge (revision: 1.21) ghc-newer-usagesp-branch (branch: 1.21.2) before-newer-usagesp (revision: 1.21) ghc-5-02-2 (revision: 1.12.2.4) hugs-Dec2001 (revision: 1.20) ghc-ndp-branch (branch: 1.16.2) before-ghc-ndp (revision: 1.16) ghc-5-02-1 (revision: 1.12.2.2) ghc-5-02 (revision: 1.12.2.1) ghc-5-02-branch (branch: 1.12.2) new-libraries-last-merged (revision: 1.11) However, I'm still confused. If I look at http://cvs.haskell.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/fptools/libraries/network/Network… then it although it has a different name it says it's the same thing and I couldn't find anything called SocketPrim.hsc. I think from what you said in one of your previous emails that I need to build the whole of ghc. Am I correct? If so I think I follow the instructions in the building guide unless there is some other documentation you think I should look at? Dominic.

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RE: possible readline license problem with ghc and -package util
by Simon Marlow 12 Jun '02

12 Jun '02

Well, nothing like a good license debate to wake everyone up ;-) Anyone heard of a "bikeshed" discussion before? Firstly, let me make it clear that GHC won't be switching to the GPL or even a dual license in the forseeable future. The University of Glasgow agreed to the BSD license, and frankly I can't see them agreeing to the GPL. And it's been widely publicised that Microsoft won't touch the GPL with a bargepole; enough said. Personally, I wouldn't mind dual-licensing GHC, because in a sense that gives people more freedom: more freedom to choose which licensing terms they accept the code under. But I *do* believe that on its own the BSD license is morally the right choice. Sure, if the main line of GHC development moved to a non-free source base, then users would lose out; but I don't think that it is right to *legislate* against this by restricting the freedom of programmers. If the developers, by their own free will, decide to create a non-free fork, then so be it. After all, even the GPL can't force developers to continue working on the code if they don't want to. But let me set minds at rest by saying that I'm not aware of any plans, at Microsoft or otherwise, to create a non-free fork of GHC. Sven Moritz Hallberg <pesco(a)gmx.de> writes: > Put short, I'd like GHC to stay free. I'd like > the GHC source to remain available, and the developers to remain reachable, > touchable. Basically I want the GHC development process to work in the open > same way as it does now. If someone can make that promise to me I will be > satisfied. Understandably, you'd like continued access to an open source actively-developed top-of-the-line Haskell compiler. I don't believe using a license is the right way to achieve this, though; the best you can do is find a revenue stream and pay programmers to work on the free version (c.f. Microsoft :-). Cheers, Simon

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RE: Updating the net package
by Simon Marlow 12 Jun '02

12 Jun '02

> Thanks for your help on this. I can't quite see how you got > what you did. > I followed the instructions in the cvs cheat sheet. > > 211 export CVSROOT=:pserver:anoncvs@glass.cse.ogi.edu:/cvs > 213 cvs login > 216 cvs co -r ghc-5-02 fpconfig ^^^^^^^^ You want ghc-5-02-branch to get the latest code on the branch. The ghc-5-02 tag corresponds to GHC 5.02 exactly. > 217 cd fptools/ > 225 cvs checkout ghc > 226 cvs checkout hslibs Here you checked out the the latest ghc and hslibs from the HEAD, when you really want the branch versions of these modules. Use either 'cvs update -d', or 'cvs checkout -rghc-5-02-branch' instead. Don't worry too much about this: CVS can be pretty confusing at times. Cheers, Simon

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Updating the net package
by D.J.Steinitz 12 Jun '02

12 Jun '02

Simon, Thanks for your help on this. I can't quite see how you got what you did. I followed the instructions in the cvs cheat sheet. 211 export CVSROOT=:pserver:anoncvs@glass.cse.ogi.edu:/cvs 213 cvs login 216 cvs co -r ghc-5-02 fpconfig 217 cd fptools/ 225 cvs checkout ghc 226 cvs checkout hslibs 229 cd hslibs/ 230 cd net 231 ls BSD.hs CGI.lhs CVS Makefile Socket.lhs SocketPrim.hs URI.hs cbits doc net.conf.in 234 cvs stat -v SocketPrim.hs =================================================================== File: SocketPrim.hs Status: Up-to-date Working revision: 1.1 Repository revision: 1.1 /cvs/fptools/hslibs/net/SocketPrim.hs,v Sticky Tag: (none) Sticky Date: (none) Sticky Options: (none) Existing Tags: before-newer-usagesp-frontier (revision: 1.1) I'm not sure what I did wrong but I don't seem to have a SocketPrim.hsc which is tagged with ghc-5-02-2. Dominic.

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RE: Updating the net package
by Simon Marlow 12 Jun '02

12 Jun '02

> This is a one line change. I'm using 5.02.2. There weren't > any versions of > Socket.hsc tagged as 5.02.2 in the CVS repository but there > was one tagged > > Revision 1.2 / (download) - annotate - [select for diffs] , Fri Aug 17 > 12:51:08 2001 UTC (9 months, 3 weeks ago) by simonmar > Branch: MAIN > CVS Tags: ghc-5-02-branch, ghc-5-02-3, ghc-5-02-1, ghc-5-02 > Changes since 1.1: +18 -12 lines > Diff to previous 1.1 > Track updates to hslibs/net > > I downloaded this and tried to compile but it has the following in it: > > instance Show Socket where > ... > > and quite rightly the compiler complains. I'm going to take the latest > version (although it would be nice to know which one was included in > 5.02.2). The contents of hslibs/net on the 5.02 branch are: ~/fptools-5.02-branch/hslibs/net > ls BSD.hsc CGI.lhs doc/ Socket.lhs URI.hs cbits/ CVS/ Makefile SocketPrim.hsc So it's SocketPrim.hsc you want. The tags on that file are: ~/fptools-5.02-branch/hslibs/net > cvs stat -v SocketPrim.hsc =================================================================== File: SocketPrim.hsc Status: Up-to-date Working revision: 1.12.2.5 Repository revision: 1.12.2.5 /home/cvs/root/fptools/hslibs/net/Attic/SocketPrim.hsc,v Sticky Tag: ghc-5-02-branch (branch: 1.12.2) Sticky Date: (none) Sticky Options: -kk Existing Tags: ghc-5-02-galois-branch (branch: 1.12.2.5.2) ghc-5-02-3 (revision: 1.12.2.5) ghc-ndp2-updated-from-trunk1 (revision: 1.21) ghc-ndp2-trunk-merge-frontier (revision: 1.21) ghc-ndp-branch2 (branch: 1.21.4) before-ghc-ndp2 (revision: 1.21) ghc-ndp-branch-merge1 (revision: 1.16) ghc-newer-usagesp-aftermerge (revision: 1.21) before-newer-usagesp-mergedto (revision: 1.21) ghc-newer-usagesp-beforemerge (revision: 1.21) ghc-newer-usagesp-branch (branch: 1.21.2) before-newer-usagesp (revision: 1.21) ghc-5-02-2 (revision: 1.12.2.4) hugs-Dec2001 (revision: 1.20) ghc-ndp-branch (branch: 1.16.2) before-ghc-ndp (revision: 1.16) ghc-5-02-1 (revision: 1.12.2.2) ghc-5-02 (revision: 1.12.2.1) ghc-5-02-branch (branch: 1.12.2) new-libraries-last-merged (revision: 1.11) Cheers, Simon

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RE: GHC Ownership
by Simon Marlow 12 Jun '02

12 Jun '02

> At 2002-06-11 08:18, Simon Marlow wrote: > > >This is *so* annoying when all we're trying to do is write > free software > >here. > > This reminds me... who legally owns GHC? > > * the University of Glasgow? > > * Simon and Simon? > > * Microsoft? > > * many different people and institutions? Mostly the University of Glasgow. Various bits belong to other copyright holders: code from the Haskell Report(s), code from the FFI spec, the regex library from FreeBSD, and GMP. None of it is owned by Microsoft. Cheers, Simon

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