On 27/08/2011 13:04, Joachim Breitner wrote:
Hi Simon,
Am Donnerstag, den 25.08.2011, 10:58 +0100 schrieb Simon Marlow:
On 24/08/2011 13:12, Joachim Breitner wrote:
Am Mittwoch, den 24.08.2011, 12:44 +0200 schrieb Matthias Klose:
The question that has to be answered first is: Assume the libraries do not depend on libffi themselves, and only ghc does. Now you update libffi and ghc gets rebuilds, what will happen:
A) The haskell ABIs stay the same, the existing library packages can still be used. Great.
B) The haskell ABIs change. We’ll have to binNMU all Haskell libraries, but oh well, not bad thanks to BD-Uninstallable-support in wanna-build and autosigning.
C) The haskell ABIs do not change, but the old library builds are broken nevertheless. Big mess. Hard to recover from, because builds are not ordered automatically any more. Needs lots of NMUes and Dep-Waits.
sorry, I don't get the `C' case. why should these be broken by a libffi or libgmp change?
Maybe it’s an unrealistic example, but I could imagine that ghc some data type (size) defined by libffi is used when generating code for a haskell library under the assumption that it has the same structure/size in the run time system and/or other used haskell libraries.
But instead of making blind guesses, maybe GHC upstream can enlighten us: Is it safe to build ghc and a Haskell library, then upgrade libffi to a new version (with soname bump), rebuild ghc, but use the previous library build?
So there might be difficulties because we build static libraries. E.g. the RTS would have been built against the previous libffi, but would then be linked against the new one, which might be ABI-incompatible. Shared libraries would notice the upgrade and use the old ABI, but static libraries won't.
How is this supposed to work, incidentally? I just checked the Drepper document about shared libraries and he doesn't seem to mention this problem. How do other packages with static libraries deal with this?
In Debian, we only build Haskell libraries still exclusively statically.
I’m not sure if I got your conclusion: Do you expect problems if the RTS and libraries were built against different versions of libffi, or not?
Sorry for the delay, just going through my inbox and I think I missed your message before. To answer your question: yes I would expect problems. My question was: how do other (non-Haskell) packages on Debian that contain static libraries deal with this problem? We should follow whatever approach is used by others. Cheers, Simon