This would probably be a great boon for those trying to use haskell for Android and IOS right? how might the emulation setup work for those? On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 2:20 PM, Carter Schonwald

wrote:

wow, this is great work!

If theres a clear path to getting the generic tooling into 7.10, i'm all for it :) (and willing to help on concrete mechanical subtasks)

On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 12:14 PM, Luite Stegeman wrote:

...

hi all,

I've added some code [1] [2] to GHCJS to make it run Template Haskell code on node.js, rather than using the GHC linker. GHCJS has supported TH for a long time now, but so far always relied on native (host) code for it. This is the main reason that GHCJS always builds native and JavaScript code for everything (another is that Cabal Setup.hs scripts need to be compiled to some host-runnable form, but that can also be JavaScript if you have node.js)

Now besides the compiler having to do twice the work, this has some other disadvantages:

- Our JavaScript code has the same dependencies (packages) as native code, which means packages like unix or Win32 show up somewhere, depending on the host environment. This also limits our options in choosing JS-specific packages. - The Template Haskell code runs on the host environment, which might be slightly different from the target, for example in integer size or operating system specific constants.

Moreover, building native code made the GHCJS installation procedure more tricky, making end users think about libgmp or libiconv locations, since it basically required the same preparation as building GHC from source. This change will make installing much easier and more reliable (we still have to update the build scripts).

How it works is pretty simple:

- When any code needs to be run on the target (hscCompileCoreExpr, through the Hooks API new in GHC 7.8), GHCJS starts a node.js process with the thrunner.js [3] script, - GHCJS sends its RTS and the Template Haskell server code [1] to node.js, the script starts a Haskell thread running the server, - for every splice, GHCJS compiles it to JavaScript and links it using its incremental linking functionality. The code for the splice, including dependencies that have not yet been sent to the runner (for earlier splices), is then sent in a RunTH [4] message, - the runner loads and runs the code in the Q monad, can send queries to GHCJS for reification, - the runner sends back the result as a serialized Template Haskell AST (using GHC.Generics for the Binary instances).

All Template Haskell functionality is supported, including recent additions for reifying modules and annotations. I still need to clean up and push the patches for the directory and process packages, but after that, the TH code can read/write files, run processes and interact with them and make network connections, all through node.js.

Now since this approach is in no way specific to JavaScript, I was wondering if there's any interest in getting this functionality into GHC 7.10 for general cross compilation. The runner would be a native (target) program with dynamic libraries (or object files) being sent over to the target machine (or emulator) for the splices.

Thanks to Andras Slemmer from Prezi who helped build the initial proof of concept (without reification) at BudHac.

cheers,

Luite

[1] https://github.com/ghcjs/ghcjs/blob/414eefb2bb8825b3c4c5cddfec4d79a142bc261a... [2] https://github.com/ghcjs/ghcjs-prim/blob/2dffdc2d732b044377037e1d6ebeac2812d... [3] https://github.com/ghcjs/ghcjs/blob/414eefb2bb8825b3c4c5cddfec4d79a142bc261a... [4] https://github.com/ghcjs/ghcjs-prim/blob/2dffdc2d732b044377037e1d6ebeac2812d...

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In case anyone wanted to start writing haskell android code now, jhc fully supports android as a target. here is an app made with it https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.metasepi.ajhc.android.cube this was made with Kiwamu's ajhc branch but code has been merged back into the main tree. On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 5:54 PM, Carter Schonwald wrote:

This would probably be a great boon for those trying to use haskell for Android and IOS right? how might the emulation setup work for those?

On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 2:20 PM, Carter Schonwald wrote:

...

wow, this is great work!

If theres a clear path to getting the generic tooling into 7.10, i'm all for it :) (and willing to help on concrete mechanical subtasks)

On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 12:14 PM, Luite Stegeman wrote:

...

hi all,

I've added some code [1] [2] to GHCJS to make it run Template Haskell code on node.js, rather than using the GHC linker. GHCJS has supported TH for a long time now, but so far always relied on native (host) code for it. This is the main reason that GHCJS always builds native and JavaScript code for everything (another is that Cabal Setup.hs scripts need to be compiled to some host-runnable form, but that can also be JavaScript if you have node.js)

Now besides the compiler having to do twice the work, this has some other disadvantages:

- Our JavaScript code has the same dependencies (packages) as native code, which means packages like unix or Win32 show up somewhere, depending on the host environment. This also limits our options in choosing JS-specific packages. - The Template Haskell code runs on the host environment, which might be slightly different from the target, for example in integer size or operating system specific constants.

Moreover, building native code made the GHCJS installation procedure more tricky, making end users think about libgmp or libiconv locations, since it basically required the same preparation as building GHC from source. This change will make installing much easier and more reliable (we still have to update the build scripts).

How it works is pretty simple:

- When any code needs to be run on the target (hscCompileCoreExpr, through the Hooks API new in GHC 7.8), GHCJS starts a node.js process with the thrunner.js [3] script, - GHCJS sends its RTS and the Template Haskell server code [1] to node.js, the script starts a Haskell thread running the server, - for every splice, GHCJS compiles it to JavaScript and links it using its incremental linking functionality. The code for the splice, including dependencies that have not yet been sent to the runner (for earlier splices), is then sent in a RunTH [4] message, - the runner loads and runs the code in the Q monad, can send queries to GHCJS for reification, - the runner sends back the result as a serialized Template Haskell AST (using GHC.Generics for the Binary instances).

All Template Haskell functionality is supported, including recent additions for reifying modules and annotations. I still need to clean up and push the patches for the directory and process packages, but after that, the TH code can read/write files, run processes and interact with them and make network connections, all through node.js.

Now since this approach is in no way specific to JavaScript, I was wondering if there's any interest in getting this functionality into GHC 7.10 for general cross compilation. The runner would be a native (target) program with dynamic libraries (or object files) being sent over to the target machine (or emulator) for the splices.

Thanks to Andras Slemmer from Prezi who helped build the initial proof of concept (without reification) at BudHac.

cheers,

Luite

[1] https://github.com/ghcjs/ghcjs/blob/414eefb2bb8825b3c4c5cddfec4d79a142bc261a... [2] https://github.com/ghcjs/ghcjs-prim/blob/2dffdc2d732b044377037e1d6ebeac2812d... [3] https://github.com/ghcjs/ghcjs/blob/414eefb2bb8825b3c4c5cddfec4d79a142bc261a... [4] https://github.com/ghcjs/ghcjs-prim/blob/2dffdc2d732b044377037e1d6ebeac2812d...

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Hmm.. It works on my nexus 4. Kiwamu of the metasepi http://ajhc.metasepi.org/ is the one that uploaded the demo. Perhaps he needs to update the key or something. On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 9:43 PM, Dominick Samperi wrote:

Hello John, I tried to install the Haskell demo Cube on my Nexus 7 and got: Error: package file was not signed correctly. D

On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 4:47 PM, John Meacham wrote:

...

In case anyone wanted to start writing haskell android code now, jhc fully supports android as a target. here is an app made with it

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.metasepi.ajhc.android.cube

this was made with Kiwamu's ajhc branch but code has been merged back into the main tree.

On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 5:54 PM, Carter Schonwald wrote:

...

This would probably be a great boon for those trying to use haskell for Android and IOS right? how might the emulation setup work for those?

On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 2:20 PM, Carter Schonwald wrote:

...

wow, this is great work!

If theres a clear path to getting the generic tooling into 7.10, i'm all for it :) (and willing to help on concrete mechanical subtasks)

On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 12:14 PM, Luite Stegeman wrote:

...

hi all,

I've added some code [1] [2] to GHCJS to make it run Template Haskell code on node.js, rather than using the GHC linker. GHCJS has supported TH for a long time now, but so far always relied on native (host) code for it. This is the main reason that GHCJS always builds native and JavaScript code for everything (another is that Cabal Setup.hs scripts need to be compiled to some host-runnable form, but that can also be JavaScript if you have node.js)

Now besides the compiler having to do twice the work, this has some other disadvantages:

- Our JavaScript code has the same dependencies (packages) as native code, which means packages like unix or Win32 show up somewhere, depending on the host environment. This also limits our options in choosing JS-specific packages. - The Template Haskell code runs on the host environment, which might be slightly different from the target, for example in integer size or operating system specific constants.

Moreover, building native code made the GHCJS installation procedure more tricky, making end users think about libgmp or libiconv locations, since it basically required the same preparation as building GHC from source. This change will make installing much easier and more reliable (we still have to update the build scripts).

How it works is pretty simple:

- When any code needs to be run on the target (hscCompileCoreExpr, through the Hooks API new in GHC 7.8), GHCJS starts a node.js process with the thrunner.js [3] script, - GHCJS sends its RTS and the Template Haskell server code [1] to node.js, the script starts a Haskell thread running the server, - for every splice, GHCJS compiles it to JavaScript and links it using its incremental linking functionality. The code for the splice, including dependencies that have not yet been sent to the runner (for earlier splices), is then sent in a RunTH [4] message, - the runner loads and runs the code in the Q monad, can send queries to GHCJS for reification, - the runner sends back the result as a serialized Template Haskell AST (using GHC.Generics for the Binary instances).

All Template Haskell functionality is supported, including recent additions for reifying modules and annotations. I still need to clean up and push the patches for the directory and process packages, but after that, the TH code can read/write files, run processes and interact with them and make network connections, all through node.js.

Now since this approach is in no way specific to JavaScript, I was wondering if there's any interest in getting this functionality into GHC 7.10 for general cross compilation. The runner would be a native (target) program with dynamic libraries (or object files) being sent over to the target machine (or emulator) for the splices.

Thanks to Andras Slemmer from Prezi who helped build the initial proof of concept (without reification) at BudHac.

cheers,

Luite

[1] https://github.com/ghcjs/ghcjs/blob/414eefb2bb8825b3c4c5cddfec4d79a142bc261a... [2] https://github.com/ghcjs/ghcjs-prim/blob/2dffdc2d732b044377037e1d6ebeac2812d... [3] https://github.com/ghcjs/ghcjs/blob/414eefb2bb8825b3c4c5cddfec4d79a142bc261a... [4] https://github.com/ghcjs/ghcjs-prim/blob/2dffdc2d732b044377037e1d6ebeac2812d...

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does JHC support template haskell? On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 12:02 PM, Scott Turner <2haskell@pkturner.org> wrote:

It installed and worked on my Nexus 5.

...

Hello John, I tried to install the Haskell demo Cube on my Nexus 7 and got: Error: package file was not signed correctly. D

On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 4:47 PM, John Meacham wrote:

...

In case anyone wanted to start writing haskell android code now, jhc fully supports android as a target. here is an app made with it

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.metasepi.ajhc.android.cube

...

this was made with Kiwamu's ajhc branch but code has been merged back into the main tree.

On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 5:54 PM, Carter Schonwald wrote:

...

This would probably be a great boon for those trying to use haskell for Android and IOS right? how might the emulation setup work for those?

On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 2:20 PM, Carter Schonwald wrote:

...

wow, this is great work!

If theres a clear path to getting the generic tooling into 7.10, i'm

all

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for it :) (and willing to help on concrete mechanical subtasks)

On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 12:14 PM, Luite Stegeman wrote:

...

hi all,

I've added some code [1] [2] to GHCJS to make it run Template Haskell code on node.js, rather than using the GHC linker. GHCJS has supported TH for a long time now, but so far always relied on native (host) code for it. This is the main reason that GHCJS always builds native and JavaScript code for everything (another is that Cabal Setup.hs scripts need to be compiled to some host-runnable form, but that can also be JavaScript if you have node.js)

Now besides the compiler having to do twice the work, this has some other disadvantages:

- Our JavaScript code has the same dependencies (packages) as native code, which means packages like unix or Win32 show up somewhere, depending on the host environment. This also limits our options in choosing JS-specific packages. - The Template Haskell code runs on the host environment, which might be slightly different from the target, for example in integer size or operating system specific constants.

Moreover, building native code made the GHCJS installation procedure more tricky, making end users think about libgmp or libiconv locations, since it basically required the same preparation as building GHC from source. This change will make installing much easier and more reliable (we still have to update the build scripts).

How it works is pretty simple:

- When any code needs to be run on the target (hscCompileCoreExpr, through the Hooks API new in GHC 7.8), GHCJS starts a node.js

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the thrunner.js [3] script, - GHCJS sends its RTS and the Template Haskell server code [1] to node.js, the script starts a Haskell thread running the server, - for every splice, GHCJS compiles it to JavaScript and links it using its incremental linking functionality. The code for the splice, including dependencies that have not yet been sent to the runner (for earlier splices), is then sent in a RunTH [4] message, - the runner loads and runs the code in the Q monad, can send queries to GHCJS for reification, - the runner sends back the result as a serialized Template Haskell AST (using GHC.Generics for the Binary instances).

All Template Haskell functionality is supported, including recent additions for reifying modules and annotations. I still need to clean up and push the patches for the directory and process packages, but after

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TH code can read/write files, run processes and interact with them and make network connections, all through node.js.

Now since this approach is in no way specific to JavaScript, I was wondering if there's any interest in getting this functionality into GHC 7.10 for general cross compilation. The runner would be a native (target) program with dynamic libraries (or object files) being sent over to

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target machine (or emulator) for the splices.

Thanks to Andras Slemmer from Prezi who helped build the initial

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concept (without reification) at BudHac.

cheers,

Luite

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https://github.com/ghcjs/ghcjs/blob/414eefb2bb8825b3c4c5cddfec4d79a142bc261a...

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https://github.com/ghcjs/ghcjs-prim/blob/2dffdc2d732b044377037e1d6ebeac2812d...

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https://github.com/ghcjs/ghcjs/blob/414eefb2bb8825b3c4c5cddfec4d79a142bc261a...

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https://github.com/ghcjs/ghcjs-prim/blob/2dffdc2d732b044377037e1d6ebeac2812d...

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Actually, I was looking into it a little, and template haskell could effectively be implemented by a pre-processor and a portable library that is compiler independent. If one could get ghc to spit out the template haskell source after it expands it then that can be fed to jhc as a quick first pass, but ideally the pre-processor TH would create programs that can be run under the target compiler. that would bring TH to every haskell compiler. John On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 10:38 AM, Brandon Allbery wrote:

On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 1:34 PM, Carter Schonwald wrote:

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does JHC support template haskell?

Pretty sure TH is too closely tied to ghc.

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The target compiler would have the TH libraries, which could be made to be portable. The external program would just extract the TH bits and turn them into a program that spits the TH expanded output to a new file to compile, and repeat the process til no TH expansions exist and finally that is the result you pass to the compiler. John On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 1:09 PM, Luite Stegeman wrote:

How would you do reification with that approach?

On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 9:59 PM, John Meacham wrote:

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Actually, I was looking into it a little, and template haskell could effectively be implemented by a pre-processor and a portable library that is compiler independent. If one could get ghc to spit out the template haskell source after it expands it then that can be fed to jhc as a quick first pass, but ideally the pre-processor TH would create programs that can be run under the target compiler. that would bring TH to every haskell compiler.

John

On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 10:38 AM, Brandon Allbery wrote:

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On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 1:34 PM, Carter Schonwald wrote:

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does JHC support template haskell?

Pretty sure TH is too closely tied to ghc.

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Zeroth takes the first approach. It only supports a subset of TH (DecsQ splices) however. http://hackage.haskell.org/package/zeroth https://github.com/aavogt/zeroth is a fork that works with more recent haskell-src-exts and ghc On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 3:59 PM, John Meacham wrote:

Actually, I was looking into it a little, and template haskell could effectively be implemented by a pre-processor and a portable library that is compiler independent. If one could get ghc to spit out the template haskell source after it expands it then that can be fed to jhc as a quick first pass, but ideally the pre-processor TH would create programs that can be run under the target compiler. that would bring TH to every haskell compiler.

John

On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 10:38 AM, Brandon Allbery wrote:

...

On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 1:34 PM, Carter Schonwald wrote:

...

does JHC support template haskell?

Pretty sure TH is too closely tied to ghc.

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