RE: re-opening a closed stdin?

Simon Marlow:
[Lazy I/O] is nice, but it introduces too many problems. What happens to any I/O errors encountered by the lazy I/O? They have to be discarded, which means you can't effectively use lazy I/O for robust applications anyway.
Surely they are thrown as exceptions which can then be manipulated in pure code using
mapExceptions :: (Exception -> Exception) -> (a -> a)
and caught in the IO monad using catch?
No, the report clearly states that they are discarded. We could perhaps have our own versions of the lazy I/O operations which throw exceptions, but this in itself is problematic because these kind of exceptions would be asynchronous in nature. If lazy I/O is allowed to raise exceptions, then we have a situation where evaluating anything can raise an I/O exception. In theory this shouldn't be a problem - we all ought to be writing asynchronous-excpetion-safe code anyway to protect against StackOverflow, but an I/O exception is often one that you want to handle gracefully and recover from. I feel distinctly uncomfortable about I/O exceptions being thrown by pure code, and even more uncomfortable about asynchronous I/O exceptions. Cheers, Simon

Simon Marlow wrote:
Simon Marlow:
[Lazy I/O] is nice, but it introduces too many problems. What happens to any I/O errors encountered by the lazy I/O? They have to be discarded, which means you can't effectively use lazy I/O for robust applications anyway.
Surely they are thrown as exceptions which can then be manipulated in pure code using
mapExceptions :: (Exception -> Exception) -> (a -> a)
and caught in the IO monad using catch?
No, the report clearly states that they are discarded.
Could you please point out where? I couldn't find it with a quick look.
We could perhaps have our own versions of the lazy I/O operations which throw exceptions, but this in itself is problematic because these kind of exceptions would be asynchronous in nature. If lazy I/O is allowed to raise exceptions, then we have a situation where evaluating anything can raise an I/O exception. In theory this shouldn't be a problem - we all ought to be writing asynchronous-excpetion-safe code anyway to protect against StackOverflow, but an I/O exception is often one that you want to handle gracefully and recover from. I feel distinctly uncomfortable about I/O exceptions being thrown by pure code, and even more uncomfortable about asynchronous I/O exceptions.
Is even the following example from the library report (section 11.8.2) problematic? import System import Char( toUpper ) main = do [f1,f2] <- getArgs s <- readFile f1 writeFile f2 (map toUpper s) -- Dean

On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 11:22:56AM -0500, Dean Herington wrote:
Is even the following example from the library report (section 11.8.2) problematic?
import System import Char( toUpper )
main = do [f1,f2] <- getArgs s <- readFile f1 writeFile f2 (map toUpper s)
yes, if f1 == f2. Lots of puzzled students resulting... :) Cheers, M/
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Dean Herington
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