target audience for the binary distribution

I'm unable to install the binary distribution of 7.8.1 on RHEL because it requires libgmp.so.10 and GLIBC_2.15, which are much greater than the version available on Red Hat. (I'm on a shared system without root access, so upgrading libc is out of the question, even if it could be done.) If this is what most users would like, I certainly don't want to be the Luddite trying to hold them back. Who actually are "most users" for the bindist? Debian & derivatives have the latest GHC in the package repository, so it's presumably Red Hat & Co, and people without root. If the bindist is only relevant to rootless users on a modern Debian derived distro, is it targeting the right audience? -- View this message in context: http://haskell.1045720.n5.nabble.com/target-audience-for-the-binary-distribu... Sent from the Haskell - Glasgow-haskell-users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

As a Debian user, I always do a home directory install. I also am root.
On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 1:33 PM, harry
I'm unable to install the binary distribution of 7.8.1 on RHEL because it requires libgmp.so.10 and GLIBC_2.15, which are much greater than the version available on Red Hat. (I'm on a shared system without root access, so upgrading libc is out of the question, even if it could be done.) If this is what most users would like, I certainly don't want to be the Luddite trying to hold them back.
Who actually are "most users" for the bindist? Debian & derivatives have the latest GHC in the package repository, so it's presumably Red Hat & Co, and people without root. If the bindist is only relevant to rootless users on a modern Debian derived distro, is it targeting the right audience?
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its important to note that this is still a release candidate! Your
feedback means we can try to support you better with the final "OFFICIAL"
7.8.1 release! :)
seriously, thanks for taking the time to try out the RC, please holler with
any other issues you hit
On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 1:43 PM, davean
As a Debian user, I always do a home directory install. I also am root.
On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 1:33 PM, harry
wrote: I'm unable to install the binary distribution of 7.8.1 on RHEL because it requires libgmp.so.10 and GLIBC_2.15, which are much greater than the version available on Red Hat. (I'm on a shared system without root access, so upgrading libc is out of the question, even if it could be done.) If this is what most users would like, I certainly don't want to be the Luddite trying to hold them back.
Who actually are "most users" for the bindist? Debian & derivatives have the latest GHC in the package repository, so it's presumably Red Hat & Co, and people without root. If the bindist is only relevant to rootless users on a modern Debian derived distro, is it targeting the right audience?
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On 14-02-08 01:33 PM, harry wrote:
Who actually are "most users" for the bindist? Debian & derivatives have the latest GHC in the package repository
No. The other pasture is not greener. The distro you don't use is not more up to date. Chinese proverb: all crows in the whole world are equally black. Debian and derivatives almost always have the wrong version. Wrong version means: * Lagging behind Haskell Platform. And Haskell Platform is already very conservative and has its own wait-and-see period. * If one version has a serious bug, then long after the bugfix version is released, Debian and derivatives still cling on to the bug. Here is a historical example: 6.12.1 had a serious bug, fixed in 6 months. Ubuntu 10.04 and 10.10 both provided 6.12.1, this means 12 months of living with the bug for you. (10.04's case was justifiable, 10.10's was inexcusable.) http://www.vex.net/~trebla/haskell/sicp.xhtml#ghc6121 I use the bindist.

I asked on the mailing list a few days prior to RC1 if anyone was
interested in a binary build based on an older glibc distribution
(e.g. CentOS.) Nobody replied, so I didn't bother building it. I also
accidentally had RC1 use glibc_2.15, when it should have been 2.13
(Debian stable version.)
I think having a version for RHEL and Debian is a reasonable request,
and it's entirely valid to ask for it. Primarily because glibc & gmp
are undoubtly the two dependencies we have which are most likely to be
different across various distributions.
But, I don't use RHEL products. Can you please specifically tell me
what you're looking for? CentOS 6.5 apparently ships with glibc 2.12 -
is this acceptable, or how far back do we need to turn the wheel? And
it's not unheard of that GHC has hit bugs in older versions of
binutils or associated projects. So hopefully we're not talking CentOS
5.4 or something here (which is still on support, as far as I know.)
On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 12:33 PM, harry
I'm unable to install the binary distribution of 7.8.1 on RHEL because it requires libgmp.so.10 and GLIBC_2.15, which are much greater than the version available on Red Hat. (I'm on a shared system without root access, so upgrading libc is out of the question, even if it could be done.) If this is what most users would like, I certainly don't want to be the Luddite trying to hold them back.
Who actually are "most users" for the bindist? Debian & derivatives have the latest GHC in the package repository, so it's presumably Red Hat & Co, and people without root. If the bindist is only relevant to rootless users on a modern Debian derived distro, is it targeting the right audience?
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Something that works on CentOS 6.5 would be much appreciated, thank you. -- View this message in context: http://haskell.1045720.n5.nabble.com/target-audience-for-the-binary-distribu... Sent from the Haskell - Glasgow-haskell-users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
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Albert Y. C. Lai
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Austin Seipp
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Carter Schonwald
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davean
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harry