June 2003 - Haskell-Cafe

RE: Help with ghci and Yet Another Haskell Tutorial
by Hal Daume 27 Jun '03

27 Jun '03

toUpper is in the Char (or Data.Char) library. You can do: Prelude> :m Data.Char Data.Char> map toUpper "hello world" or specify it completely. Prelude> map Data.Char.toUpper "hello world" I'll fix this reference in YAHT. I believe that Hugs automatically exports toUpper, which is why it was in there to begin with. - Hal -- Hal Daume III | hdaume(a)isi.edu "Arrest this man, he talks in maths." | www.isi.edu/~hdaume -----Original Message----- From: haskell-cafe-admin(a)haskell.org [mailto:haskell-cafe-admin@haskell.org] On Behalf Of Mark Espinoza Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 7:53 AM To: haskell-cafe(a)haskell.org Subject: Help with ghci and Yet Another Haskell Tutorial Greetings, I am going through the Tutorial using ghc on a redhat 8.0 system. Everything works fine untill I get to the map function: Prelude> map toUpper "hello world" <interactive>:1: Variable not in scope: `toUpper' Prelude> Can anyone tel me what is or might be going on? Thanks. Sincerely, Mark Get your free e-mail address at http://felinemail.zzn.com ___________________________________________________________ Get your own Web-based E-mail Service at http://www.zzn.com _______________________________________________ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe(a)haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe

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Help with ghci and Yet Another Haskell Tutorial
by Mark Espinoza 27 Jun '03

27 Jun '03

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27 Jun '03

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RE: haskell array access
by Simon Peyton-Jones 27 Jun '03

27 Jun '03

Several comments 1. In Haskell "mod" is a lot more expensive than "rem", because it involves careful jiggery pokery with the sign of the result. That's why your boxed version was slower (nothing to do with boxing). 2. GHC does indeed optimise away the array access if you aren't careful, and does in Derek's code. Below is a version that avoids doing so, in the same way as the C version, by returning one of the values. 3. Derek correctly points out that gcc does not do array-bound checks. GHC should eliminate them, but it's a non-trivial analysis and GHC does not currently attempt it. You can always use unsafeAt, as Derek does. 4. The UArray stuff builds an array of unboxed Ints, like C. If you use ordinary boxed arrays, the loop has to unbox the Int every time around the loop, which makes it slower (2.6s) With that done, we get ghc -O2 -fliberate-case-threshold20 1.8s gcc -O2 1.4s Seems close enough to me; have not investigated further. The "liberate-case" thing is a practically-undocumented GHC optimisation that switches on with -O2. It specialises a loop that unboxes a free variable (here the array k) so that the unboxing doesn't happen each time round the loop. The threshold at which GHC thinks there is too much code dup is set very low by default, so the flag increases it. Simon ====================== k :: UArray Int Int k = array (0,15) [(i, i+1) | i <- [0 .. 15] ] acc :: Int -> Int -> Int acc r 0 = r acc r n = r `seq` acc (k `unsafeAt` (n `rem` 16)) (n - 1) main :: IO () main = print (acc 0 100000000) ====================== | Anyways, | int main(void){ | int i, k; | int a [16]; | for (i=0; i<=100000000; i++) { | k = a [i % 16]; | } | printf("%d\n",k); | return 0; | } | compiled with MinGW 3.2 -O/-O2/-O3 runs in 1.8s using time. | | int main(void){ | int i, k; | int a [16]; | for (i=0; i<=100000000; i++) { | k = a [i % 16]; | } | printf("%d\n",k); | return 0; | } | | The following (compiled with -O2 -fglasgow-exts and GHC 6.1 i.e. a CVS | version) beats the C version taking only .8s. They don't do the same | thing (the Haskell version "does" more, but prints something different). | Looking at the core/stg/c/asm (the asm and C was quite messy compared | with other times), it certainly doesn't appear to be optimizing this to | print 0, and it does appear (though I'm less sure here) to be doing | everything as it should, but it's really hard to read the assembly, | since we don't use the value we lookup I can easily see gcc dropping it | altogether, though the C GHC spits out is pretty unusual for gcc, so it | may not. | | module Main (main) where | import Data.Array.Unboxed (UArray, array) | import Data.Array.Base (unsafeAt) -- if C doesn't, why should we? | import GHC.Exts | | k :: UArray Int Int | k = array (0,15) [(i, i+1) | i <- [0 .. 15] ] | | acc :: Int# -> Int# | acc 0# = 0# | acc n = (k `unsafeAt` (I# (n `remInt#` 16#))) `seq` acc (n -# 1#) | | main :: IO () | main = print (I# (acc 100000000#)) | | However, I'm am somewhat surprised that I seemingly had to unbox by hand | to get quite close (in fact, better) than C. I expected the following | version to be comparable to the C version (and it is orders of magnitude | faster than the original version which was over 5min when I killed it | (though I think I compiled it with just -O), this version taking 14s). | | module Main (main) where | import Data.Array.Unboxed (UArray, array) | import Data.Array.Base (unsafeAt) -- if C doesn't, why should we? | | k :: UArray Int Int | k = array (0,15) [(i, i+1) | i <- [0 .. 15] ] | | acc :: Int -> Int | acc 0 = 0 | acc n = (k `unsafeAt` (n `mod` 16)) `seq` acc (n - 1) | | main :: IO () | main = print (acc 100000000) | | _______________________________________________ | Haskell-Cafe mailing list | Haskell-Cafe(a)haskell.org | http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe

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RE: haskell array access
by Hal Daume 26 Jun '03

26 Jun '03

This has been hinted to before: gcc gets rid of the loop. bash-2.05b$ gcc -O3 arr.c -S -o arr.s bash-2.05b$ cat arr.s .file "arr.c" .def ___main; .scl 2; .type 32; .endef .text .align 2 .align 16 .globl _main .def _main; .scl 2; .type 32; .endef _main: pushl %ebp movl %esp, %ebp subl $72, %esp xorl %eax, %eax andl $-16, %esp call __alloca call ___main xorl %eax, %eax .align 16 L7: incl %eax cmpl $100000000, %eax jle L7 leave ret the inside of the loop is exactly: L7: incl %eax cmpl $100000000, %eax jle L7 which doesn't read the array! essentially you are being unfare to ghc by making it seq the array element, but not doing the same to GCC. even with -O0, gcc gets rid of the loop body. one solution: add in the assembly to actually read the array (i'm too lazy and busy to do this). - hal -- Hal Daume III | hdaume(a)isi.edu "Arrest this man, he talks in maths." | www.isi.edu/~hdaume > -----Original Message----- > From: haskell-cafe-admin(a)haskell.org > [mailto:haskell-cafe-admin@haskell.org] On Behalf Of Lex Stein > Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 3:46 PM > To: Sven Panne > Cc: haskell-cafe(a)haskell.org > Subject: Re: haskell array access > > > > Great, thanks. Those suggestions narrow the gap from GHC -O being 330x > slower than GCC -O3 to it being 20x slower. Here are the new results: > > gcc -O3 0.54s > ocamlopt 1.11s > ghc -O 10.76s > ocamlc 14.10s > > GHC is still pretty slow for native x86 instruction code. Is > there any way > to further explain the performance gap ? (new code below) > > Thanks! > Lex > > Haskell (GHC) source: > > import Array > k :: Array Int Int > k = Array.array (0,15) [(i, i+1) | i <- [0 .. 15] ] > acc :: Int -> Int > acc 0 = 0 > acc n = seq (k Array.! (n `mod` 16)) (acc (n-1)) > main = do > print (acc 100000000) > > Caml test source: > > let a = Array.make 16 0;; > let rec do1 i z = > if (i>100000000) then z else > do1 (i+1) (z + a.(i mod 16));; > do1 0 0;; > > C (gcc) test source: > > int main () { > int i, k = 0; > int a [16]; > for (i=0; i<100000000; i++) { > k += a [i % 16]; > } > return (k); > } > > > On Fri, 27 Jun 2003, Sven Panne wrote: > > > Well, part of the answer is definitely that the Haskell > program is the > > *only* one which really uses the array elements. :-) I > guess that the > > compilers for the other languages simply remove the array > access from > > the generated code (gcc definitely does, only an empty loop > remains). > > > > Another reason is that the type signatures are missing, so > Integer is > > used instead of Int, which is a bit unfair. Adding > > > > k :: Array Int Int > > acc :: Int -> Int > > > > cuts down the time by more than factor 5 on my machine. > > > > Cheers, > > S. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Haskell-Cafe mailing list > > Haskell-Cafe(a)haskell.org > > http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe > > > _______________________________________________ > Haskell-Cafe mailing list > Haskell-Cafe(a)haskell.org > http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe >

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"callbacks" in Haskell
by Robert Vollmert 26 Jun '03

26 Jun '03

Hello, I've been having a little trouble writing a module that waits for and handles IO events, e.g. by reading from a pipe. It seemed natural to use some form of callbacks here, though that may very well be the wrong approach. I'd be happy to hear of alternatives. Anyway, I got a callback-based approach to work to some extent, but am not happy with the callback's type. The abstract form of this module is as follows. I'd appreciate any input. A class that specifies what we expect of the base monad. > class (Monad m) => MonadReq m A class that specifies what we provide to the callback. > class (Monad m) => MonadProv m The module's main function. > f :: (MonadReq m) => Callback m a -> m a > f c = ... Internally, we wrap the base monad with some monad transformer, say > data InternalT m a = ... with > instance MonadTrans InternalT so that the callback can access the base monad, and > instance (MonadReq m) => MonadProv (InternalT m) so that we can actually provide MonadProv. A type for callback that works is > type Callback m a = InternalT m a What I don't like about this is that we shouldn't really need to expose what exact monad transformer we use. Also, if we added a second function that also runs the callback in a MonadProv but that uses a different transformer (for instance, needing to keep track of some extra state), we'd need a new callback type. What seems to be the right type is > type Callback m a = forall t. (MonadTrans t, MonadProv (t m)) => t m a which sort of works with '-fglasgow-exts' (what's this extension called?). However, it seems to cause all kinds of problems, e.g. pairs of this type appear to be illegal. Cheers Robert

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Re: MacOS X Project Builder and Haskell
by Ashley Yakeley 25 Jun '03

25 Jun '03

At 2003-06-25 11:51, Andre Pang wrote: >Hi Ashley, I guess you've heard of the announcements of the new Apple >IDE announced at WWDC recently ("Xcode"). I'm at WWDC right now, and >I'll do my best to talk to the Apple engineers there to make sure that >all the infrastructure is in place to be able to integrate Haskell/GHC >with Xcode. Xcode does look a little bit more extensible than Project >Builder, but since it's in beta, not everything is actually >documented/integrated yet (in particular, its native build system). The (reduced) screen-shots of Xcode on the Apple site are so pretty I was worrying whether it would actually be as powerful as PB, which I'm fairly impressed with. I'm delighted to hear that Xcode will be even more extensible. >However, if you still want to use Project Builder, I have managed to >get GHC integration going. It's not pretty (put it this way: Perl is >involved ...), but it _does_ work. I'm planning to release it in ~2 >weeks, but if you can't wait, email me back and I'll give you a preview >if I have time :). All my Haskell development is cross-platform at the moment, so I must use makefiles and thus "legacy" targets anyway. Though I'm sure I'll have a look at it when you've finished with it... Actually my biggest build problem at the moment is that the version of make that comes with the system is buggy. I use the make that comes with fink, but of course not everyone has that installed. Perhaps this will be fixed in the new Darwin. -- Ashley Yakeley, Seattle WA Almost empty page: <http://semantic.org/>

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MacOS X Project Builder and Haskell
by Ashley Yakeley 25 Jun '03

25 Jun '03

Does anyone else use Project Builder with Haskell? Once you fiddle around with it a bit, it seems to work OK with makefiles. But I wondered if anyone had any Haskell-specific extensions? -- Ashley Yakeley, Seattle WA

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Shoot self in foot
by Shawn P. Garbett 24 Jun '03

24 Jun '03

Based on the earlier posted joke on this list, I put together the following code. Could probably use a bit of simplification, but you get the picture. import IO import GHC.IOBase -- True = nice foot, False = shot up by some lunatic type Foot = Bool -- Manage a request from the user, given request and current foot state manage :: Char -> Foot -> IO Foot manage c foot -- InterleaveIO Makes the request "lazy" | c == '1' = unsafeInterleaveIO $ do putStr "OUCH!!!! Shoot Self in Foot\n" return False -- The foot is now shot -- The doctor examines the state of the foot variable | c == '2' = do putStr "Doctor examines foot\n" if foot then putStr "I have a good foot.\n" else putStr "I have a shot-up foot.\n" return foot -- Otherwise just keep processing | otherwise = do return foot -- Main processing loop process :: Foot -> IO () process f = do c <- getChar -- Get a character putChar '\n' -- Return to keep the screen neat if c == '0' -- Is it an exit? then return () -- then leave else do f' <- manage c f -- otherwise manage request process f' -- continue to process -- Little usage message usage :: IO () usage = do putStr "0. Exit Program\n" putStr "1. Pull Trigger\n" putStr "2. Call Doctor\n" -- Main routine main :: IO () main = do usage -- Print usage process True -- Start processing with a good foot

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ANNOUNCE: hmake-3.08
by Malcolm Wallace 23 Jun '03

23 Jun '03

hmake-3.08 ---------- http://www.haskell.org/hmake/ We announce a new release of hmake, the compilation manager for Haskell. This is essentially a bugfix release, to enable hmake to build cleanly with ghc versions >= 6.0. * Hmake should now build cleanly with GHC 6.0. * In hmake-interactive, if the readline library is not available, the replacement simple line editor now has a history mechanism. Regards, Malcolm

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