Can someone clarify what's going on with the standard library in Haskell? As of right now, I can download, say, GHC from haskell.org/ghc and get a set of libraries with it. I can visit http://haskell.org/ghc/docs/latest/html/libraries/, linked from the haskell.org home page, and see descriptions of all of those libraries. I can build with --make (or if I'm feeling masochistic, add several lines of -package options) and it works. That's all great. I've seen some stuff lately on -libraries and this list indicating that there's an effort to change this. People asking whether something should be included in the standard library are being told that there is no standard library really. I'm hearing that the only distinction that matters is "used by GHC" or "not used by GHC", and that being on hackage is as official as it gets. Am I misunderstanding? Is there something awesome about Hackage that I'm not seeing? I hope one of those two is the case. Otherwise, there's a serious mistake being made here. Having a web site where people can download any of hundreds of independent libraries is not the same thing as having a good standard library for the language. I don't want to see the day when setting up Haskell involves a day-long effort of figuring out what libraries to download and install from Hackage, and in what order to do it to satisfy all the dependencies, and new Haskellers poring over web sites for the thousandth time before realizing that so-and-so's GUI library hasn't actually been touched since they finished their class project in 1998 and doesn't build with the latest version of Qt or whatever. -- Chris Smith