Bulat Ziganshin
Hello Achim,
Saturday, December 29, 2007, 8:40:05 PM, you wrote:
Interesting... So you're claiming that humans have powers of deduction beyond what computers possess? ;-)
They would be programming us if otherwise, wouldn't they?
oh, well. God created humans, humans created computers. God has created our programs (psychics), we does the same for computers
If you find the one who brought the topic to god, shoot him. At least if HE isn't just the universe. The main difference is whether something can program itself, which puts computers right next to a mechanical clock and the universe possibly to a massively concurrent mega-machine, with many, many, many threads, but I'm guessing there.
but what's a programming? without me, computer will never print "hello world". but without him, i will never write this letter - only its ability to easily transfer mail between continents forced me to do it
Encoding behaviour information in a way that gets executed by an entity. That enough?
next. can you compile this "hello world" program down to assembler?
Yes. Definitely. At least if you don't make me abandon the kernel and talk to the hardware itself and would remember what int20 function write was. Try writing a program that makes me say "hello world" as many times as you press my nose.
humans often says about things that they can do but computer can't but they forget that computers was created exactly to do things that we can't. billion of computations per second is beyond our abilities
Nope, they aren't. Try teaching a computer to catch a ball, you'll be surprised how many numbers you can crunch.
don't take into account that human by itself, at the moment of birth doesn't know anything about mathematics and even can't speak - he is programmed by society to acquire these skills
Kind of, no. The programming to learn to survive in its surroundings and to reproduce is in the genes.
so, computers are definitely more advanced devices - they was created to. we (humanity) just don't yet finished development of the program which at some moment will make them able to further develop itself without our help. if you believe that human is superior to computer you should also believe that bacterium is superior to human
I think we are superior to bacteria, yes, although you might argue that amoeba are practically immortal, and, as cockroaches, survived for a far longer time with nearly no change in their genes. It's a bit like with kids: As long as you don't want them to be independent and reward them for it, they won't be. Unlike kids, though, computers don't have the possibility to look at the next computer and compute something along the lines of "hey, I like his mmap much more than my implementation, I'm not obeying my programmer any more." It's really comparing touring machines to mere evolutionary reprogrammed meta-programming neural nets featuring a few magnitudes more synapses than there are atoms in the universe, that is. Apples and bananas might work in a fruit salad, but... humans have a tendency to believe everything they don't understand is superior, dumb or nuts, even if it's themselves. -- (c) this sig last receiving data processing entity. Inspect headers for past copyright information. All rights reserved. Unauthorised copying, hiring, renting, public performance and/or broadcasting of this signature prohibited.