[Haskell-cafe] FP Market Place (was Market Place for Haskell development teams?)

Haskell, and FP languages more broadly, are finding a pretty solid niche in small scale, but technically demanding and lucrative projects. Financial modeling and analytics are the first thing that comes to mind. The work of Galois, Atom, etc also sort of fit this mold. While the people on this list are clearly leaning towards Haskell, this is a niche that Haskell shares with OCaml, Erlang, and even Scala and Clojure. Perhaps, combining efforts with those communities (call it lambdajobs or something) would help get closer to a critical mass and aid cross-pollination between communities. Considering the salaries and value-add with skilled FP programmers, and the difficulty in finding them, this could even be a profitable venture in the long run if employers are charged for successful placements or for ads once we get going. Just my 2¢ Max On Oct 1, 2009, at 11:56 AM, Curt Sampson wrote:

On 2009-09-29 13:18 +0200 (Tue), Alberto G. Corona wrote:

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What is the vehicle that haskell can use to enter the mainstream?.

Actually, I have one more thought on that: wait.

I'd had the impression that Haskell was becoming fairly well known (if not yet heavily used, in comparison to languages like Java), but I just ran across some hard evidence for this.

In the 32 languages ranked on http://www.langpop.com/ , Haskell consistently comes down near the bottom in the various rankings of use. (But hey, we're not so weird we're not in there!) But if you look down near the bottom, at the chart labeled "Normalized Discussion Site Results," you'll notice that Haskell comes out sixth. Even trying to be more fair to the mainstream, and changing the weighting to drop Lambda the Ultimate completely (after all, they're just a bunch of academic wankers, right?) and bring IRC down to a contribution of 0.5 instead of 1 (apparently those academic wankers have lots of time to chat online), Haskell still comes out tenth, with a score over a third that of the leader, Java, and close to half that of PHP and C (2nd and 3rd place, respectively).

We've also got at least one undeniably good, production-quality compiler (which is more than PHP or Ruby can say), and have sold many tens of thousands, perhaps even hundreds of thousands, of books. At this point, I don't think many people (John A. De Goes excepted) are looking at people writing major applications in Haskell as if they're aliens living on another planet.

Haskell is in the mainstream already as far as being taken seriously; most of the complaints I'm seeing seem to be grasping at the same kinds of straws that the anti-Java guys were back in the late '90s. ("It's hopeless if it uses garbage collection.")

We've even got our own over-hyped, under-utilized supposed benefit ("it's good for multicore").

The main whinging seems to be about libraries, of which we have "only" 1585 on hackage.

Compare with RubyForge, which has 2059 projects in "beta" or better status, or 2961 if we include "alpha" as well. The Ruby Application Archive has 1768 projects; I have no idea how much overlap there is, or how many of these are real.

I think we just need to sit tight for a couple of years.

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