I just tried the Haskell Mode using xemacs, adjust my init.el file, loaded my haskell file, and got great syntax highlighting! So far so good. But people, emacs is sooooo weird for a Windows user... For example, ALL windows (and motif?) programs use CTRL-Z for undo. But not emacs... So after some googling, I found and installed CUA, to get more Windows compliant keys. CTRL-Z does undo, woohoo! But CTRL-Y doesn't do redo yet, as in ALL windows programs. Select a block, press delete. ALL Windows text editors will delete the block, but not emacs, it just deselects the block and deletes the current character. I also couldn't get the auto indentation working, not sure why, I thought that pressing ENTER would automatically indent my code, especially when I end my line with $. Pressing TAB will not insert a TAB, like in ALL Windows editors. I guess I could spend time to configure all the keys and behavior. Heck with LISP you can do anything! Even change the addition operator into whatever other binary operator, at runtime, at any time, as a side-effect, horror! ;) But I have no interest in learning emacs, I just want to learn Haskell without having to perform too much manual text editing that one does not expect to do in the 21st century :) So I could erase my brain and figure out all the emacs keys. But then I will have a hard time using ANY other Windows program. I'm sure if all you use is Emacs, this must really be great, but for the average Windows coder that is used thay ANY other popular IDE, switching is not obvious at all... No pun intended; I know Emacs is an incredible system (I used to work with it on OS/2, and if I recall correctly, I could even read my email right inside of it, heck it could even make me lispy breakfast! ;), but it's just so... alien, at least when looking at it from a Windows perspective. And that's why IMHO for Windows users, one needs a friendly IDE to get started with Haskell in a modern way. And the Windows version should comply to the Windows styleguides. Haskell is such a nice language, it should reach a larger audience, and just like Concurrent Clean, that could be done by providing a simple IDE. Phew, my frustration leaked into this email, but at least now I got rid of it, sorry guys ;) -----Original Message----- From: haskell-cafe-bounces@haskell.org [mailto:haskell-cafe-bounces@haskell.org] On Behalf Of Peter Verswyvelen Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 10:35 PM To: haskell-cafe@haskell.org Subject: Re: Re[2]: [Haskell-cafe] IDE? That's just my point. Although I have no practical experience with Haskell (besides writing a simple L-System using HOpenGL), from what I've read Haskell is indeed much better than typical OO languages... So it *deserves* an easy entry level IDE that will get many many more people started with it. Like Concurrent Clean has, although their IDE is also far from perfect (e.g. they don't have multi-level undo, sigh) Anyway, it seems many people use Emacs for their Haskell edit/compile/run cycle. I've used Emacs on IBM OS/2 a long time ago so I guess I can get back into it. But man, was I happy back then when I could switch over to Visual Studio... The productivity I nowadays have with Visual Studio 2005 and Resharper for doing compilation, code-documentation-tips, code-completion, refactoring, navigation, debugging, boiler plate code generation, is amazing. Some of my colleagues still use Emacs, and maybe they are not using it correctly, but at first sight their development is much much slower.
From this cafe talk I now know such an IDE for Haskell does not exist. So I won't search any further for a great IDE before starting to do some real Haskell programming, because my L-Systems experiment was a lot of fun!
So I just installed XEmacs with the latest Haskell mode. I'll go from here... If that doesn't work, Notepad++ and GHCI/GHC in a command prompt also works, although it does make me feel I'm back in the eighties. Thanks for all the help folks!
----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- Van: Bulat Ziganshin [mailto:bulat.ziganshin@gmail.com] Verzonden: zaterdag, juni 16, 2007 08:50 PM Aan: bf3@telenet.be CC: haskell-cafe@haskell.org Onderwerp: Re[2]: [Haskell-cafe] IDE?
Hello bf3,
Saturday, June 16, 2007, 3:23:40 PM, you wrote:
The point I wanted to make is, that I can't find an easy-to-install-ready-to-use-and-rock-n-roll IDE for Windows that comes with all or most of those features. I mean something like Borland TurboPascal
it's well-known trap. haskell is an order of magnitude better than widespread OOP languages. why it's not used by everyone? just due to shortage on libs, training and - yes - IDEs. "programming" in Delphi in many cases need just clicking here and there
so, you got something, you lost something
ps: i use editor which supports only syntax highlighting. it's very like working in tp 3.0 or quickc 1.0 - are you had such experience? :)
-- Best regards, Bulat mailto:Bulat.Ziganshin@gmail.com
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