On Sun, 28 Mar 2010, G?nther Schmidt wrote
"display themselves on demand" is putting it rather harshly don't you think?
No. The women in our community are not required to come forth as witnesses on what it's like to be women in our community. They most likely do not want to be under a magnifying glass, do not want to be exposed to harrasment, and would not actually be qualified to personally represent all other women in the community. They do not want to be held up as community ornaments. If you're wondering how I know what women in our community want -- I don't. I'm just paraphrasing things that women in this situation have repeatedly said, and yet, somehow, gone unheard. It was probably also uncool to call out a specific woman by name, who did not volunteer for this. # I think we have some work to do to make the haskell community inclusive. One thing that I keep hearing is "I'm not trying to be offensive." I think it's easy to get caught up on "not being offensive" so that we don't make any progress. It's impossible not to offend people -- but it is possible to take the time to listen and correct problematic behavior and communicate what you've learned to others. It is, however, not necessary to speculate on why there are few women in the community. A great deal has already been written on the topic, particularly on the Geek Feminism blog, which I already mentioned, and also by the debian-women team. http://geekfeminism.org/ http://women.debian.org/home/ There is also a paper (click the link to the PDF) by the AAUW. http://www.aauw.org/research/whysofew.cfm By the way, there is a fun test that can identify a subconscious tendency to categorize math, engineering and the hard sciences according to gender. https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/ Click on the "Demonstrations" link and take the Gender-Science IAT. It's important that people who want to make our community more inclusive speak up, and that we challenge assumptions or statements that work against inclusivity. This is not about protecting women -- it is about making it clear that someone who makes a sexist statement does not represent us, and it's about teaching those fellow haskellers who will listen to be better citizens. Someone mentioned reddit. The haskell community has a considerable presence on reddit, but reddit has a reputation for hard misogyny. As of this morning, the haskell.org main page is three easy clicks from an adult web site (haskell.org -> haskell subreddit -> reddit main page -> whatever is there). This is probably not sending the right message. Please, try to take the time to study the above reasources and apply them to the benefit of our community. Friendly, --Lane