Re: [Haskell-cafe] Announcement: Beta of Leksah IDE available

Hi Neil, Neil Mitchell wrote:

Hi

Just tried it out, a few notes:

* Very easy install - if only gtk2hs could be installed with cabal it would have been perfect.

* Select the package you have installed. I didn't have a clue what to do here. Do you mean where I keep my Haskell programs? Or where GHC installs them? Can't you figure it out - its a confusing dialog which looks redundant.

I guess you mean the dialog which should help leksah to find sources for installed packages. It needs this so you can go to all the definitions in the base packages ... This is very handy if it works. Look to the manual for details. Neil Mitchell wrote:

* Turning off "To Candy" was an essential first step for me! I can perhaps see <- as candy, but replacing $ with diamond is just confusing.

Yeah, I've should have taken this out. But just edit the candy file to your taste. Neil Mitchell wrote:

* I opened a .cabal file, and expected to see the files in the source in a Window somewhere. I didn't.

Yes, thats a bit of a problem. As 1. the project has to be compiled. and 2. metadata has to be collected. Then it appears in the modules window. Neil Mitchell wrote:

* The UI feels a little clunky, this could be the Gtk feel of the app (which in time I'd get over), or the choice of UI (the left-pane is quite large). Anything you could do to simplify/streamline the UI would be great.

You can do some adjustments on your own. On MS Windows we have some problems though. Neil Mitchell wrote:

All in all looks quite neat. This is definitely going somewhere, and looks like it will be quite good by the end.

Thanks Jürgen Neil Mitchell wrote:

Thanks Neil

On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 6:17 PM, jutaro wrote:

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Thanks Achim, maybe you are right with Plugins. In the moment I'm more focused on adding additional features. But wish the day, that so many want to add features that a plugin system will be essential, we have it.

With the GUI arrangement like splitting etc. leksah is quite flexible, but it doesn't support drag and drop, so maybe I'm the only one who knows how to use it. Well our capacity is limited, and no high priority on drag and drop and such thinks.

Jürgen

Achim Schneider wrote:

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J__rgen Nicklisch-Franken wrote:

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So I please the members of the community to pause for a moment and try out Leksah with a benevolent attitude.

I did (the previous version, tbh), and couldn't find anything to seriously bicker about... a few problems regarding metadata generation, but that was dealt with as soon as I RTFM'ed. Ah, yes, you shouldn't be able to close the toolbar by pressing on one of its buttons that incidentally looks just like the one to close a file.

Completition already rocks, the interface is nicely configurable (although I resorted to editing config and session files instead of using gui commands[1]), project management worked out fine (after I figured out that I had to manually configure leksah to pass --user to cabal), all in all it's an impressive piece of code that radiates later uberness instead of lacking features. Last, but not least, it's _fast_, _waaaaaaaaay_ more zappy than eclipse. As far as basic IDE features are concerned, it's also complete.

The one thing that keeps me from switching to it, right now, is the editor not being a vi. While gtksourceview might be, in theory, a usable editor, my muscle memory tells me otherwise. It'd be like switching to autoconf for C development instead of just copying over my beloved OMakefile.

Providing refactoring support would make it irresistible... maybe it's time to add a plugin layer, so that things like vacuum or a wrapper around hp2ps can register themselves with leksah, without giving up their identity as stand-alone projects. Plugability is the one feature that made eclipse big, and it won't hurt leksah, either.

[1] I utterly failed to figure out how to do stuff[2], seriously.     Eclipse has a really nice drag&drop interface with visual feedback     to rearrange stuff, but I'm not the kind of guy who drops a program     for lacking such bells&whistles. [2] "Stuff" being rearranging divisions such that it's first split     horizontally, the console/type view etc. taking up the bottom part     and the upper part being split vertically into source view/module     browser. I just can't stand wrapped lines on the console. Somehow,     I think it should be the default arrangement.

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