Hi cafe! I feel a bit like I'm speaking out of turn for bringing this up -- and I'm sure it must have been brought up many times before -- but I hope there can be something fruitful had from a discussion. In my travels I've read several people with much better grasp of Haskell than I have mention -- with a sad sigh of resignation -- that functions like liftM and return abound because some Monads don't state their fulfillment of Functor (or Applicative, but that's even more recent), and thus we can't use fmap/<$> or pure. I understand a motivation might be that code would break if the former lot were removed, but surely they could shifted to the latter (and the former simply be defined as the latter). It might be a very large effort, I suppose, to comb through the standard libraries and make everything compile again, but is there something else I'm surely missing? Cheers, A