Turns out that those guys doing start-up with Haskell are already expert at
Haskell.
Hence choosing Haskell is more straightforward.
I'm thinking of using Haskell since it looks cool and beautiful.
However I have little experience and will move slowly at certain begging
period.
This sounds not good to a startup company.
Comparing with Django in Python, Rails in Ruby, yesod and snap looks not
that mature.
Also, for instance, I'd like to build up a CRM application company, I
could leverage some open source projects in other languages. In Haskell,
we need to build from scratch basically.
Appreciate your suggestions/comments.
-Simon
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 2:30 AM, David Pollak wrote: On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Yves Parès Haskell is a mature platform that provides lots of goodies that I might
otherwise have to write (like the goodies I wrote in Lift including an
Actors library) I don't get it: Actors are at the core of Scala concurrency model, Actors as implemented in the Scala distribution were (and probably still
are) horrid. They have poor performance, memory retention issues, and an
overall poor design. When Lift relied on Scala's Actors, a Lift-comet site
needed to be restarted every few weeks because of pent-up memory issues.
On the other hand, with Lift Actors, http://demo.liftweb.net has been
running since July 7th. and are expanded for distributed programming through Akka for instance. Actually, no. Scala's Actors are not expanded by Akka (although Akka
Actors may replace the existing Actor implementation in the Scala library).
Akka is yet another replacement for Scala's Actor library and Akka's
distributed capabilities are weak and brittle. Also, Lift's Actor library
and Martin Odersky's flames about it paved the way for Akka because I took
the heat that might have driven Jonas out of the Scala community when Akka
was a small project. To me it'd be the other way around: you'd have to develop Actors in
Haskell, don't you? I've come to understand that Actors are a weak concurrency/distribution
paradigm. Anything that has a type signature Any => Unit is not composable
and will lead to the same kinds of issues that we're looking for the
compiler in Haskell to help us with (put another way, if you like Smalltalk
and Ruby, then Actors seem pretty cool.) On the other hand, many of Haskell's libraries (STM, Iteratees, etc.) have
a much more composable set of concurrency primitives. Or maybe you don't mean the same thing by 'Actor'? 2011/12/19 David Pollak On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 2:04 AM, Ivan Perez <
ivanperezdominguez@gmail.com> wrote: I'm actually trying to make a list of companies and people using Haskell
for for-profit real world software development. I'd like to know the names of those startups, if possible. I am building http://visi.pro on Haskell. I am doing it for a number
of reasons: - Haskell is a mature platform that provides lots of goodies that I
might otherwise have to write (like the goodies I wrote in Lift including
an Actors library)
- Haskell allows a lot of nice "things" that make building a
language and associated tools easier (like laziness)
- Haskell is a filter for team members. Just like Foursquare uses
Scala as a filter for candidates in recruiting, I'm using Haskell as a
filter... if you have some good Haskell open source code, it's a way to
indicate to me that you're a strong developer. -- Ivan On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 6:57 PM, Gracjan Polak <
gracjanpolak@gmail.com> wrote: Hi all, The question 'How hard is it to start a technical startup with Haskell?' happened a couple of times on this list. Sometimes it was in the On 18 December 2011 18:42, Michael Snoyman is to find Haskell programmers?' or 'Are there any Haskell jobs?'. I'd like to provide one data point as an answer: http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/ngbbp/haskell_only_esigning_startup... Full disclosure: I'm one of two that founded this startup. How are others doing businesses using Haskell doing these days? I don't run a startup myself, but I know of at least three startups
using Haskell for web development (through Yesod), and my company is
basing its new web products on Yesod as well. I think there are plenty
of highly qualified Haskell programmers out there, especially if
you're willing to let someone work remotely. Michael _______________________________________________
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