Well, if I was 15 again and had no RSI in both arms, I certainly would create a basic IDE as my first Haskell project, it would be fun ;) I've looked at the code of Visual Haskell, but I'm not (yet/ever?) capable of enhancing it (the Haskell part, the COM/C++ part is a lot easier for me). So it's a bit of a chicken and egg problem. To adapt existing code for getting a better editor, I need to learn Haskell. To really learn Haskell, I need to start typing and doing concrete projects, but I want to type as less as possible, so I need a good IDE. Furthermore, because of my RSI, I see my future in teaching and not coding. And it will remain a hobby project, because I'm not able to convince my colleagues to switch to Haskell, mostly because it has no production-stable .NET backend and Visual Studio integration (yet, I know its work in progress) Anyway, I'll start with emacs again, maybe I see the light this time ;) Peter -----Original Message----- From: Simon Peyton-Jones [mailto:simonpj@microsoft.com] Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 11:46 To: Peter Verswyvelen; haskell-cafe@haskell.org Subject: RE: Re[2]: [Haskell-cafe] IDE? | L-System using HOpenGL), from what I've read Haskell is indeed much better than typical OO | languages... So it *deserves* an easy entry level IDE that will get many many more people started with | it. I think you are right about that. Still, I hope this problem may in time fix itself: the Haskell community will grow to the point where there enough people like you who *want* such an IDE, that among their ranks will be some who feel able to *build* it. (I quite understand that you do not.) The Haskell community has historically been somewhat oriented towards emacs and Unix, but if Haskell is to succeed in becoming more of a mainstream language, it need to jump the cultural gap over to the (much larger) IDE and Windows community. Presumably Visual Studio or Eclipse are the right places to start, and there are prototype Haskell IDEs for both, even if they are not ready for production use. plenty of opportunities here! Simon No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.0/852 - Release Date: 17/06/2007 08:23 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.0/852 - Release Date: 17/06/2007 08:23