Re: [Haskell-cafe] Suggestions For An Intro To Monads Talk.

It might be a little late at this point, but here's my take on monads: In most imperative languages sequencing of statements is a feature that is hard-coded into the language to act in a certain way, e.g. to have a particular implicit state (the global state plus possibly the fields available from a class, if the code is in a method). In Haskell, sequencing of statements is a first-class feature of the language that we can define to work however we want. For example, the Maybe monad allows us to define the sequencing operation to abort whenever we access a Maybe value that is Nothing. In most languages they have to introduce a special keyword "return" to get this kind of early-exit functionality, but in Haskell we don't need such a keyword because Monads allow us to extend the sequencing operation to *add* this kind of functionality. Similarly, in most languages you cannot completely change the implicit state available to code; the most that you can do is to use "Object-Oriented programming", which is an additional feature to the language, to add additional implicit state that is available to code (when it is inside a method) that stacks on top of the global state. By contrast, in Haskell defining an implicit state for code is trivial, and furthermore we can do additional things like forcing this state to be read-only, all without having to add new features to the language itself. Not only is sequencing is a first-class operation that we can define at will, but it is also possible to compose the functionality of multiple sequencing operations so that, for example, we can get access to both a read-only state, a global mutable state, *and* have the ability to perform an early exit from our code, all (again) within the language. This technique is known as stacking "Monad transformers", and there are multiple libraries for doing it. Finally, here is something that is trivial to do in Haskell: create a sequencing operation based on continuations that allows code to perform operations asynchronously while writing code in a synchronous style. That is, you can define a monad that lets you write code that looks like do result <- request x case result of A -> request y B -> request z which has the feature that rather than blocking a thread while we wait for a request, we instead actually implicitly creates a callback that runs the rest of the code as soon as the result as ready. In most other languages you'd have to invent a special language features such as continuations in order to allow for a coding style like this, but in Haskell we don't need them because *overriding the sequence operation itself* is a first-class feature of the language that allows us to do this. So again, the moral of this story is that just like having access to continuations as a first-class object allows one to do powerful things, so too does having access to the sequencing operation as a first-class object let us do stuff that makes our job as programmers easier. Cheers, Greg On 08/06/10 08:17, aditya siram wrote:

Thanks all for you suggestions! Upon further reflection I realized that my audience is more pragmatic than theoretical. Instead of emphasizing how monads are constructed and the monad laws I think I want to dive right into the most common and useful monads. From my vantage point they are (in no particular order) : Reader, Writer, State, IO, ST, STM, Parsec (have I missed any?) and of course the transformer versions. I am debating whether or not to add [] to the bunch.

To explain monads (now that I have Timothy's awesome blog post to reference) I'll be drawing the parallel between monads and interfaces in Java. And thanks to Tillman for showing me where the analogy breaks down. Are there any such parallels in other languages like Perl and Python?

I'm still a little iffy on why the monad concept isn't used in other languages. From where I sit it seems as though monads really let you play with the order of evaluation - just because one statement is executed after another doesn't mean they are executed in that order. I think other languages don't make this easy.

-deech

On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 6:21 PM, Daniel van den Eijkel mailto:dvde@gmx.net> wrote:

For me, the following two things did the magic, so I'll suggest them:

1. Writing a recursive function that takes a binary tree and returns the same tree, but with its leaves enumerated. Each function call takes the tree and the counter and returns the resulting tree and the new counter value. The pattern that emerges is similar to the state monad. The pattern shows that the order of the recursive calls is not ambiguous, unlike in a function that just counts the leaves, for example. Changing the order of the recursive calls changes the result. (code below)

2. Putting the above pattern into a datatype and rewriting the apply-funtion for this datatype (>>=) allows only to apply funtions in a non-ambiguous way. Not giving a deconstructor for the IO monad forces the programmer to decide in which order calls to IO functions have to be done.

I hope this is clear enough; I was able to use the IO monad at the moment I realized that Haskell uses this kind of "trick" to ensure that the order of execution of function arguments is always well-defined and never ambiguous. Of course, there is much more about monads, but this was my entry point.

Best regards Daniel

code (tree enumeration):

data Tree a = Leaf a | Node (Tree a) (Tree a) deriving Show

enumTree n (Node a b) = let (n', a') = enumTree n a in let (n'', b') = enumTree n' b in (n'', Node a' b')

enumTree n (Leaf x) = (n+1, Leaf n)

aditya siram schrieb:

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Hi all, I am doing an "Intro To Monads" talk in September [1]. The audience consists of experienced non-Haskell developers but they will be familiar with basic functional concepts (closures, first-class functions etc.).

I am looking for suggestions on how to introduce the concept and its implications. I'd also like to include a section on why monads exist and why we don't really see them outside of Haskell.

Has anyone here done a talk like this? And if so what parts of your presentation were successful and what would you stay away from.

Thanks for the feedback. -deech

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