Hi All, To amuse myself while waiting for test-runs to complete, I was thinking about random terrain generation. I came across a bunch of nice posts by Torben Mogensen, where he describes a neat way of constructing random terrains by recursively subdividing right angled isosceles triangles. It got me thinking - it's all well and good subdividing to give more detail as you zoom in, but what about when you zoom out? This got me thinking that it would be cool to make an infinite terrain generator using a zipper, so you can zoom in/out infinitely, and by implication, infinitely in any direction. One of the key components that seems to be necessary is a random number generator zipper. In Mogensen's scheme, you have a number associated with each point, and when you subdivide, you create a new RNG seed from the numbers at each end of the hypotenuse which you are bisecting. These numbers are used to generate height variation. The trick, is to make the combination order independent (e.g. xor). This is easy for zooming in, but it's not clear how to do this for zooming out. It's probably sufficient to assume a (parameterizable) hashing/mixing scheme, and to simply number the nodes in some deterministic fashion. The subdivision is binary, so we could number the children deterministically. If we use "decimals", from some arbitrary starting point, we can extend in the "fractional" direction when we zoom in, and extend in the "whole number" direction. I'm only just discovering zippers, so my question to the learned members of this forum is: Am I on the right track? Is a scheme like this going to work? cheers, Tom -- Dr Thomas Conway drtomc@gmail.com Silence is the perfectest herald of joy: I were but little happy, if I could say how much.