Re: [Haskell-cafe] Scala at position 25 of the Tiobe index, Haskell dropped

Sandboxes are really a bandaid and most tutorials don't promote them enough. You can also still hit the multiple package versions issue in a sandbox. The lack of "cabal upgrade" is another big headache. On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 11:29 AM, Christopher Allen wrote:

I work with a lot of Haskell beginners and the Cabal problems went away when sandboxes were added to Cabal and the learners started using a sandbox for every project.

I've only seen a handful (one hand, 5 fingers) of problems since then that weren't attributable to, "wasn't using a sandbox". Of those, about half were the user doing something uncommon/unusual.

I have a tutorial here http://howistart.org/posts/haskell/1 which among other things, covers the basics of using sandboxes.

Library maturity is my only worry with production Haskell. Not enough eyeballs and all that. It's not enough to stop me or my colleagues using it in production though. I can fix libraries, I can't fix Scala.

On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 1:21 PM, Joe Hillenbrand wrote:

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On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 6:21 AM, Gregory Guthrie wrote:

And in my experience the cabal problems are the "fatal-flaw";

Big +1 here. Cabal is the biggest thing keeping me from aggressively promoting Haskell in industry. The risk of promoting Haskell now is that people will try out Haskell, hit a cabal issue, give up, and then form a bad opinion of Haskell because of it.

There is saying "If a user has a bad experience, that's a bug."

I've been patiently awaiting the Backpack overhaul before promoting Haskell in the workplace. [1]

[1] https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/wiki/Backpack _______________________________________________ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://mail.haskell.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe