Re: Library survey results

29% Parsec 19% wxHaskell 16% QuickCheck 16% haddock 12% Monadic Parser Combinators 11% Gtk2Hs 9% hs-plugins 8% HaXml 7% Data.* 7% Monad foundation classes 6% Arrows 6% HOpenGL
The list includes all libraries named by more than 5% of respondents. Sure enough, wxHaskell and Gtk2Hs are more popular, but 6% naming HOpenGL as among the "most important" libraries is quite respectable.
Well, I've never said that it is among the "most important" libraries, but OTOH I really much doubt that the way the survey was done delivers anything near reliable results. It heavily biases early entries, and I dare to speculate that the people taking part in the survey were probably not even near to a representative group, but a bunch of highly motivated, experienced non-Joe-Programmer kind of people who are actively participating on the mailing lists etc.
It wasn't as bad as you think--over 580 replies, with less than a quarter of those from academics (there were actually more replies from people working in industry than from academics!). So I'd dispute that the survey tells us mostly about what the research community in particular wants. I'd guess the survey was pretty representative of KEEN Haskell users. It's a bit unclear who we mean by "Joe Haskell-programmer" anyway--I bet that, apart from students of course, the number of Haskell programmers who are using the language "just because their boss tells them to" can be counted on the fingers of one hand! I'd claim Joe Haskell programmer probably IS keen, highly motivated, experienced and active. In fact, the one group that is obviously underrepresented badly in my survey is just students--I got replies from just under 300, while another survey of teachers shows that at least 5-10,000 were taught Haskell last year. But maybe tools like hoogle SHOULD be aimed at the most active users? You're right that libraries mentioned earlier in the survey received more "votes" as a result, but since I have a record of all responses *in time order* I can see the difference, for each library, between pre- and post- "first mention" behaviour. HOpenGL was mentioned in the 7th response, wxHaskell in the first, and Gtk2Hs in the 17th, so they were in the "previously mentioned" category for almost the entire survey, and the effect you're talking about was not significant for a comparison between those three. Data.*, on the other hand, was first mentioned about half way through the survey, which indicates that around 12% of respondents selected it as among the "most important" libraries, when prompted to do so by seeing its name. However, the proportion who name Data.* spontaneously is below 2%--and that conclusion is statistically significant at the 99% level. 580 replies is enough to say statistically significant things (about the population the survey sampled, anyway). I feel quite inspired--when I have a spare moment, I'll analyse the results more carefully and see what one actually CAN say with a degree of certainty, taking into account when each library was first mentioned.
Furthermore, some of the percentages above are extremely strange, e.g. how can people use huge GUI toolkits with 30% while staying largely away from something as fundamental as Data.*?
I don't find it so strange, really. Data.* implements lots of useful standard datatypes, but you can import some of them in other ways (import Maybe for example), and in many cases it's not too hard to roll your own. OK, maybe with a worse result, but you're not *forced* to use Data.* -- so if you're used to using something else, there's no 100% compelling reason to change. Rolling your own wxHaskell or Gtk2Hs is prohibitively hard. So I'm not at all surprised that GUI toolkits rated much higher--people's natural conservatism gives them a big advantage, and even Haskell users can be conservative sometimes! Perhaps the most surprising thing here is that only 30% of keen Haskellers think a GUI is important! John

Hello John, Thursday, March 9, 2006, 2:02:45 AM, you wrote: JH> You're right that libraries mentioned earlier in the survey received more JH> "votes" as a result, but since I have a record of all responses *in time JH> order* I can see the difference, for each library, between pre- and post- JH> "first mention" behaviour. btw, the first replies should be from most Haskell-interested people -- Best regards, Bulat mailto:Bulat.Ziganshin@gmail.com
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