On Thu, Sep 16, 2021 at 11:57 PM Michael Turner < michael.eugene.turner@gmail.com> wrote:

Wow, someone on this thread said of me, from what I wrote on the beginner's list, "He's trying to translate Haskell to C/C++."

Brandon Allbery: "Actually no, they were talking about someone on StackOverflow." I'm afraid Anthony Clayden actually WAS talking about me: https://mail.haskell.org/pipermail/haskell-cafe/2021-September/134468.html (Or am I missing some Haskeller in-joke about StackOverflow?) Regards, Michael Turner Executive Director Project Persephone 1-25-33 Takadanobaba Shinjuku-ku Tokyo 169-0075 Mobile: +81 (90) 5203-8682 turner@projectpersephone.org Understand - http://www.projectpersephone.org/ Join - http://www.facebook.com/groups/ProjectPersephone/ Donate - http://www.patreon.com/ProjectPersephone Volunteer - https://github.com/ProjectPersephone "Love does not consist in gazing at each other, but in looking outward together in the same direction." -- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry On Fri, Sep 17, 2021 at 9:08 PM <haskell-cafe-request@haskell.org> wrote:

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Message: 1 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2021 11:15:05 +0100 From: Tom Ellis <tom-lists-haskell-cafe-2017@jaguarpaw.co.uk> To: haskell-cafe@haskell.org Subject: Re: [Haskell-cafe] Haskell's "historical futurism" needs better writing, not better tools Message-ID: <20210917101505.GA3781@cloudinit-builder> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

On Fri, Sep 17, 2021 at 06:54:50PM +0900, Michael Turner wrote:

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On Fri, Sep 17, 2021 at 4:58 PM Tom Ellis <tom-lists-haskell-cafe-2017@jaguarpaw.co.uk> wrote:

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Michael, I have an offer for you (in fact two):

1. I will collaborate with you to produce the guide to Haskell's evaluation that *you* would want to read.

2. I will collaborate with you to write the NLP tool that you want to write in Haskell.

I think if I write anything long, it would first have to be my "Haskell in Plain English: A Guide for Lexical Semanticists."

Fair enough.

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I can't do these without collaborating with someone like you. I simply don't know what someone else wants to read.

So much of good writing is just figuring out an audience. As I wrote to Viktor above, the section he presented to me in case I had trouble with it could be absolutely ideal for someone with more grounding. They could admire the sentence I struggled with, for how it encapsulates their understanding while refreshing their memory.

Yes indeed. The audience that I write for is myself since that's the audience I know. I am interested in writing for a more general audience but I don't have motivation at the moment to do so without a member of that general audience on the team.

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I'm not sure that gearing a piece toward what /I/ would like to read is a much bigger audience

I suspect the group of people who are interested in yet frustrated by Haskell is *far* bigger than the group of people who are already familiar with Haskell!

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If I had to suggest an approach you could try on your own, it would be this:

Thank you for the suggestion. I will bear it in mind if I decide to tackle this in the future.

Tom

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Message: 2 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2021 08:02:13 -0400 From: Brandon Allbery <allbery.b@gmail.com> To: Michael Turner <michael.eugene.turner@gmail.com> Cc: haskell-cafe <haskell-cafe@haskell.org> Subject: Re: [Haskell-cafe] Haskell-Cafe Digest, Vol 217, Issue 17 Message-ID: <CAKFCL4WyXKKfZ32kdkBJPYDs8k-TJ=4NVNS0L-g5oDy0BjYhbw@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

On Thu, Sep 16, 2021 at 11:57 PM Michael Turner < michael.eugene.turner@gmail.com> wrote:

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Wow, someone on this thread said of me, from what I wrote on the beginner's list, "He's trying to translate Haskell to C/C++."

Actually no, they were talking about someone on StackOverflow.

-- brandon s allbery kf8nh allbery.b@gmail.com