Re: [Haskell-cafe] Getting Haskell in the top 20

Henk-Jan van Tuyl

1 Dec 2014 1 Dec '14

8:06 a.m.

Using the words "Haskell" and "programming" in emails probably helps getting Haskell a few places up, but I think there is much more needed to get it in the top twenty. Things like a GHC backend that produces Java bytecode and/or Common Intermediate Language, commercial support, or Microsoft delivering Haskell in a Visual Studio environment. These are things that will raise much more interest in Haskell in the commercial world, and therefore would also interest more programmers. Regards, Henk-Jan van Tuyl On Sun, 30 Nov 2014 18:37:34 +0100, Jacques Carette wrote:

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Make sure the actual words "Haskell programming" occur in as many places as possible [posts here, on reddit, on stackoverflow, etc]. Not variants of those words, but those exact words. Like you did in your .sig (although that may not be indexed, so it may need to be in the actual text).

Get it into people's phrasing that they always speak of "Haskell programming", not Haskell code, coding, etc, etc.

Jacques

On 2014-11-30 11:29 AM, Henk-Jan van Tuyl wrote:

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L.S.,

In the Tiobe Index[0], F# jumped from position 43 in June to 13 in July and is since than in the top twenty. What happened in July and how can we get Haskell in the top 20?

Regards, Henk-Jan van Tuyl

[0] http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html

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Kyle Marek-Spartz

1 Dec 1 Dec

11:25 a.m.

New subject: Getting Haskell in the top 20

The point is that the TIOBE index doesn't track that stuff directly, but indirectly through mentions. If the items you mention result in more people talking about "Haskell programming" then it will result in a higher index score. Henk-Jan van Tuyl writes:

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Using the words "Haskell" and "programming" in emails probably helps getting Haskell a few places up, but I think there is much more needed to get it in the top twenty. Things like a GHC backend that produces Java bytecode and/or Common Intermediate Language, commercial support, or Microsoft delivering Haskell in a Visual Studio environment. These are things that will raise much more interest in Haskell in the commercial world, and therefore would also interest more programmers.

Regards, Henk-Jan van Tuyl

On Sun, 30 Nov 2014 18:37:34 +0100, Jacques Carette wrote:

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Make sure the actual words "Haskell programming" occur in as many places as possible [posts here, on reddit, on stackoverflow, etc]. Not variants of those words, but those exact words. Like you did in your .sig (although that may not be indexed, so it may need to be in the actual text).

Get it into people's phrasing that they always speak of "Haskell programming", not Haskell code, coding, etc, etc.

Jacques

On 2014-11-30 11:29 AM, Henk-Jan van Tuyl wrote:

...
L.S.,

In the Tiobe Index[0], F# jumped from position 43 in June to 13 in July and is since than in the top twenty. What happened in July and how can we get Haskell in the top 20?

Regards, Henk-Jan van Tuyl

[0] http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html

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David Thomas

3:53 p.m.

New subject: Getting Haskell in the top 20

As opposed to "Haskell golf shoes". On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 8:25 AM, Kyle Marek-Spartz wrote:

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The point is that the TIOBE index doesn't track that stuff directly, but indirectly through mentions. If the items you mention result in more people talking about "Haskell programming" then it will result in a higher index score.

Henk-Jan van Tuyl writes:

...
Using the words "Haskell" and "programming" in emails probably helps getting Haskell a few places up, but I think there is much more needed to get it in the top twenty. Things like a GHC backend that produces Java bytecode and/or Common Intermediate Language, commercial support, or Microsoft delivering Haskell in a Visual Studio environment. These are things that will raise much more interest in Haskell in the commercial world, and therefore would also interest more programmers.

Regards, Henk-Jan van Tuyl

On Sun, 30 Nov 2014 18:37:34 +0100, Jacques Carette wrote:

...
Make sure the actual words "Haskell programming" occur in as many places as possible [posts here, on reddit, on stackoverflow, etc]. Not variants of those words, but those exact words. Like you did in your .sig (although that may not be indexed, so it may need to be in the actual text).

Get it into people's phrasing that they always speak of "Haskell programming", not Haskell code, coding, etc, etc.

Jacques

On 2014-11-30 11:29 AM, Henk-Jan van Tuyl wrote:

...
L.S.,

In the Tiobe Index[0], F# jumped from position 43 in June to 13 in July and is since than in the top twenty. What happened in July and how can we get Haskell in the top 20?

Regards, Henk-Jan van Tuyl

[0] http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html

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Alex Hammel

4:08 p.m.

New subject: Getting Haskell in the top 20

Or the Haskell architecture firm, or the Haskell Indian Nations University, or Eddie Haskell the character from Leave it to Beaver, etc. etc. On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 12:53 PM, David Thomas wrote:

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As opposed to "Haskell golf shoes".

...
The point is that the TIOBE index doesn't track that stuff directly, but indirectly through mentions. If the items you mention result in more people talking about "Haskell programming" then it will result in a higher index score.

Henk-Jan van Tuyl writes:

...
Using the words "Haskell" and "programming" in emails probably helps getting Haskell a few places up, but I think there is much more needed to get it in the top twenty. Things like a GHC backend that produces Java bytecode and/or Common Intermediate Language, commercial support, or Microsoft delivering Haskell in a Visual Studio environment. These are things that will raise much more interest in Haskell in the commercial world, and therefore would also interest more programmers.

Regards, Henk-Jan van Tuyl

On Sun, 30 Nov 2014 18:37:34 +0100, Jacques Carette < carette@mcmaster.ca> wrote:

...
Make sure the actual words "Haskell programming" occur in as many

On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 8:25 AM, Kyle Marek-Spartz wrote: places

...
...
...
as possible [posts here, on reddit, on stackoverflow, etc]. Not variants of those words, but those exact words. Like you did in your .sig (although that may not be indexed, so it may need to be in the actual text).

Get it into people's phrasing that they always speak of "Haskell programming", not Haskell code, coding, etc, etc.

Jacques

On 2014-11-30 11:29 AM, Henk-Jan van Tuyl wrote:

...
L.S.,

In the Tiobe Index[0], F# jumped from position 43 in June to 13 in

July

...
and is since than in the top twenty. What happened in July and how can we get Haskell in the top 20?

Regards, Henk-Jan van Tuyl

[0] http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html

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Alberto G. Corona

4:42 p.m.

New subject: Getting Haskell in the top 20

My contribution for today: haskell programming, haskell programming, haskell programming. 2014-12-01 22:08 GMT+01:00 Alex Hammel :

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Or the Haskell architecture firm, or the Haskell Indian Nations University, or Eddie Haskell the character from Leave it to Beaver, etc. etc.

On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 12:53 PM, David Thomas wrote:

...
As opposed to "Haskell golf shoes".

...
The point is that the TIOBE index doesn't track that stuff directly, but indirectly through mentions. If the items you mention result in more people talking about "Haskell programming" then it will result in a higher index score.

Henk-Jan van Tuyl writes:

...
Using the words "Haskell" and "programming" in emails probably helps getting Haskell a few places up, but I think there is much more needed to get it in the top twenty. Things like a GHC backend that produces Java bytecode and/or Common Intermediate Language, commercial support, or Microsoft delivering Haskell in a Visual Studio environment. These are things that will raise much more interest in Haskell in the commercial world, and therefore would also interest more programmers.

Regards, Henk-Jan van Tuyl

On Sun, 30 Nov 2014 18:37:34 +0100, Jacques Carette < carette@mcmaster.ca> wrote:

...
Make sure the actual words "Haskell programming" occur in as many

On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 8:25 AM, Kyle Marek-Spartz wrote: places

...
...
...
as possible [posts here, on reddit, on stackoverflow, etc]. Not variants of those words, but those exact words. Like you did in your .sig (although that may not be indexed, so it may need to be in the actual text).

Get it into people's phrasing that they always speak of "Haskell programming", not Haskell code, coding, etc, etc.

Jacques

On 2014-11-30 11:29 AM, Henk-Jan van Tuyl wrote:

...
L.S.,

In the Tiobe Index[0], F# jumped from position 43 in June to 13 in

July

...
and is since than in the top twenty. What happened in July and how can we get Haskell in the top 20?

Regards, Henk-Jan van Tuyl

[0] http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html

-- Folding@home What if you could share your unused computer power to help find a cure? In just 5 minutes you can join the world's biggest networked computer and get us closer sooner. Watch the video. http://folding.stanford.edu/

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Markus Läll

4:49 p.m.

New subject: Getting Haskell in the top 20

I thought we were trying to avoid success? On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 11:42 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:

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My contribution for today:

haskell programming, haskell programming, haskell programming.

2014-12-01 22:08 GMT+01:00 Alex Hammel :

...
Or the Haskell architecture firm, or the Haskell Indian Nations University, or Eddie Haskell the character from Leave it to Beaver, etc. etc.

On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 12:53 PM, David Thomas wrote:

...
As opposed to "Haskell golf shoes".

...
The point is that the TIOBE index doesn't track that stuff directly, but indirectly through mentions. If the items you mention result in more people talking about "Haskell programming" then it will result in a higher index score.

Henk-Jan van Tuyl writes:

...
Using the words "Haskell" and "programming" in emails probably helps getting Haskell a few places up, but I think there is much more needed to get it in the top twenty. Things like a GHC backend that produces Java bytecode and/or Common Intermediate Language, commercial support, or Microsoft delivering Haskell in a Visual Studio environment. These are things that will raise much more interest in Haskell in the commercial world, and therefore would also interest more programmers.

Regards, Henk-Jan van Tuyl

On Sun, 30 Nov 2014 18:37:34 +0100, Jacques Carette < carette@mcmaster.ca> wrote:

...
Make sure the actual words "Haskell programming" occur in as many

On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 8:25 AM, Kyle Marek-Spartz wrote: places

...
...
...
as possible [posts here, on reddit, on stackoverflow, etc]. Not variants of those words, but those exact words. Like you did in your .sig (although that may not be indexed, so it may need to be in the actual text).

Get it into people's phrasing that they always speak of "Haskell programming", not Haskell code, coding, etc, etc.

Jacques

On 2014-11-30 11:29 AM, Henk-Jan van Tuyl wrote: > > L.S., > > In the Tiobe Index[0], F# jumped from position 43 in June to 13 in July > and is since than in the > top twenty. What happened in July and how can we get Haskell in the top > 20? > > Regards, > Henk-Jan van Tuyl > > > [0] http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html

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Jake McArthur

6:37 p.m.

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It's "avoid 'success at all costs,'" not "avoid success, at all costs." (Sorry for the double email, Markus, but I meant to reply-all the first time.) On Dec 1, 2014 4:49 PM, "Markus Läll" wrote:

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I thought we were trying to avoid success?

On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 11:42 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:

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My contribution for today:

haskell programming, haskell programming, haskell programming.

2014-12-01 22:08 GMT+01:00 Alex Hammel :

...
Or the Haskell architecture firm, or the Haskell Indian Nations University, or Eddie Haskell the character from Leave it to Beaver, etc. etc.

On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 12:53 PM, David Thomas wrote:

...
As opposed to "Haskell golf shoes".

...
The point is that the TIOBE index doesn't track that stuff directly, but indirectly through mentions. If the items you mention result in more people talking about "Haskell programming" then it will result in a higher index score.

Henk-Jan van Tuyl writes:

...
Using the words "Haskell" and "programming" in emails probably helps getting Haskell a few places up, but I think there is much more needed to get it in the top twenty. Things like a GHC backend that produces Java bytecode and/or Common Intermediate Language, commercial support, or Microsoft delivering Haskell in a Visual Studio environment. These are things that will raise much more interest in Haskell in the commercial world, and therefore would also interest more programmers.

Regards, Henk-Jan van Tuyl

On Sun, 30 Nov 2014 18:37:34 +0100, Jacques Carette < carette@mcmaster.ca> wrote:

> Make sure the actual words "Haskell programming" occur in as many

...
...
> as possible [posts here, on reddit, on stackoverflow, etc]. Not > variants of those words, but those exact words. Like you did in your > .sig (although that may not be indexed, so it may need to be in the > actual text). > > Get it into people's phrasing that they always speak of "Haskell > programming", not Haskell code, coding, etc, etc. > > Jacques > > On 2014-11-30 11:29 AM, Henk-Jan van Tuyl wrote: >> >> L.S., >> >> In the Tiobe Index[0], F# jumped from position 43 in June to 13 in July >> and is since than in the >> top twenty. What happened in July and how can we get Haskell in

On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 8:25 AM, Kyle Marek-Spartz wrote: places the top

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>> 20? >> >> Regards, >> Henk-Jan van Tuyl >> >> >> [0] http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html

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Alberto G. Corona

2 Dec 2 Dec

4:47 a.m.

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{"irony" : "on"} Haskell as a mainstream language.. what a scandal.... Lots of people using their own EDSLs without passing trough the initiatory cult of Category Theory. To have the benefits without the sacrifices, Tools without religion, fire without Prometeus .... Can you imagine something more unjust and vulgar? We don´t want the success of the haskell language in Industry. We want our own success and to be admired in the distance. 2014-12-01 22:49 GMT+01:00 Markus Läll :

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I thought we were trying to avoid success?

On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 11:42 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:

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My contribution for today:

haskell programming, haskell programming, haskell programming.

2014-12-01 22:08 GMT+01:00 Alex Hammel :

...
Or the Haskell architecture firm, or the Haskell Indian Nations University, or Eddie Haskell the character from Leave it to Beaver, etc. etc.

On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 12:53 PM, David Thomas wrote:

...
As opposed to "Haskell golf shoes".

...
The point is that the TIOBE index doesn't track that stuff directly, but indirectly through mentions. If the items you mention result in more people talking about "Haskell programming" then it will result in a higher index score.

Henk-Jan van Tuyl writes:

...
Using the words "Haskell" and "programming" in emails probably helps getting Haskell a few places up, but I think there is much more needed to get it in the top twenty. Things like a GHC backend that produces Java bytecode and/or Common Intermediate Language, commercial support, or Microsoft delivering Haskell in a Visual Studio environment. These are things that will raise much more interest in Haskell in the commercial world, and therefore would also interest more programmers.

Regards, Henk-Jan van Tuyl

On Sun, 30 Nov 2014 18:37:34 +0100, Jacques Carette < carette@mcmaster.ca> wrote:

> Make sure the actual words "Haskell programming" occur in as many

...
...
> as possible [posts here, on reddit, on stackoverflow, etc]. Not > variants of those words, but those exact words. Like you did in your > .sig (although that may not be indexed, so it may need to be in the > actual text). > > Get it into people's phrasing that they always speak of "Haskell > programming", not Haskell code, coding, etc, etc. > > Jacques > > On 2014-11-30 11:29 AM, Henk-Jan van Tuyl wrote: >> >> L.S., >> >> In the Tiobe Index[0], F# jumped from position 43 in June to 13 in July >> and is since than in the >> top twenty. What happened in July and how can we get Haskell in

On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 8:25 AM, Kyle Marek-Spartz wrote: places the top

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>> 20? >> >> Regards, >> Henk-Jan van Tuyl >> >> >> [0] http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html

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Mike Meyer

1 Dec 1 Dec

4:50 p.m.

New subject: Getting Haskell in the top 20

Basically, what you want to do is similar to "link bombing". From experience, one person can - or maybe could - do a pretty good job of this. Put it in your signature line and post to discussion groups that get archived in multiple places on the web - anything that was gatewayed to netnews worked great for this, but that may now be dead. And Google at least has tweaked their algorithms to prevent this. On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:

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My contribution for today:

haskell programming, haskell programming, haskell programming.

2014-12-01 22:08 GMT+01:00 Alex Hammel :

...
Or the Haskell architecture firm, or the Haskell Indian Nations University, or Eddie Haskell the character from Leave it to Beaver, etc. etc.

On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 12:53 PM, David Thomas wrote:

...
As opposed to "Haskell golf shoes".

...
The point is that the TIOBE index doesn't track that stuff directly, but indirectly through mentions. If the items you mention result in more people talking about "Haskell programming" then it will result in a higher index score.

Henk-Jan van Tuyl writes:

...
Using the words "Haskell" and "programming" in emails probably helps getting Haskell a few places up, but I think there is much more needed to get it in the top twenty. Things like a GHC backend that produces Java bytecode and/or Common Intermediate Language, commercial support, or Microsoft delivering Haskell in a Visual Studio environment. These are things that will raise much more interest in Haskell in the commercial world, and therefore would also interest more programmers.

Regards, Henk-Jan van Tuyl

On Sun, 30 Nov 2014 18:37:34 +0100, Jacques Carette < carette@mcmaster.ca> wrote:

...
Make sure the actual words "Haskell programming" occur in as many

On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 8:25 AM, Kyle Marek-Spartz wrote: places

...
...
...
as possible [posts here, on reddit, on stackoverflow, etc]. Not variants of those words, but those exact words. Like you did in your .sig (although that may not be indexed, so it may need to be in the actual text).

Get it into people's phrasing that they always speak of "Haskell programming", not Haskell code, coding, etc, etc.

Jacques

On 2014-11-30 11:29 AM, Henk-Jan van Tuyl wrote: > > L.S., > > In the Tiobe Index[0], F# jumped from position 43 in June to 13 in July > and is since than in the > top twenty. What happened in July and how can we get Haskell in the top > 20? > > Regards, > Henk-Jan van Tuyl > > > [0] http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html

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Richard A. O'Keefe

2 Dec 2 Dec

6:01 p.m.

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Y’know, there’s a _reason_ for “avoid success at all costs”. I believe it was Nietzsche who wrote "Man is a thing to be overcome. What are you doing to overcome him?” Well, *Haskell* is a thing to be overcome. Or to put it less bleakly, it’s a journey, not a destination. If you look at things like C++ and Java, you see amongst other things wilful flouting of practically everything that was learned in the 70s about language design and an intolerable mountain of cruft heaped ever higher because with a “successful” language it is hard to take anything away. Heck, Java was supposed to be a C++ restart, but it kept way too many of the old mistakes. Haskell is all about learning how to do better, all the time.

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