Hi everyone, this post is to argue my own case. Today I have made the most upsetting experience of being called a troll, twice. I have posted to this list for over 3 years now and until lately it was an enlightening experience. The responses to my questions have usually been helpful and friendly. But for some time now, I have noticed that the tone on this list has changed. It seems to have become ok to respond quite brutally and without regard for the other persons feelings. It also seems to have become ok to chime in. For some reason it has become acceptable to politicalize a subject at the earliest convenience and take the gloves off. I am 42 now and am surprised how much this still hurts, after all I survived the schoolyard bullies and who would have thought that these times would ever come again? I urge you, my fellow haskellers, to show some restraint when we are dealing with one another on this list. And to think twice before you launch a personal attack. Günther
Günther, On 10/27/2010 05:12 PM, you wrote:
For some reason it has become acceptable to politicalize a subject at the earliest convenience and take the gloves off.
You were the first offender, when you wrote the following: "since there is no mail client library even after 10+ years I suggest to rethink the approach, because frankly, it's not working." Nobody provoked this comment, it was apparently a result of nothing more than your rather immature frustration at being unable to immediately obtain a free library to satisfy your needs with little effort on your part. "Trolling" is one of the kinder words that could be used to describe such behavior.
I urge you, my fellow haskellers, to show some restraint when we are dealing with one another on this list.
It would help your own credibility if you would acknowledge your own role in the matter before calling for others to show restraint. If you were to follow your own advice, you wouldn't need to be posting comments like this. Anton
2010/10/27 Günther Schmidt
Hi everyone,
this post is to argue my own case.
Today I have made the most upsetting experience of being called a troll, twice.
I have posted to this list for over 3 years now and until lately it was an enlightening experience. The responses to my questions have usually been helpful and friendly.
But for some time now, I have noticed that the tone on this list has changed. It seems to have become ok to respond quite brutally and without regard for the other persons feelings. It also seems to have become ok to chime in. For some reason it has become acceptable to politicalize a subject at the earliest convenience and take the gloves off.
I'm in favor of keeping personal accusations off of this list. Calling someone a troll on a public list isn't really helpful to the conversation. In extreme cases, I think some folks have the ability to moderate the list - so it isn't like we need to resort to public personal attacks to keep the discussion productive.
I am 42 now and am surprised how much this still hurts, after all I survived the schoolyard bullies and who would have thought that these times would ever come again?
I urge you, my fellow haskellers, to show some restraint when we are dealing with one another on this list. And to think twice before you launch a personal attack.
Günther
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Antoine Latter
I have posted to this list for over 3 years now and until lately it was an enlightening experience. The responses to my questions have usually been helpful and friendly.
Right - in most cases, the Haskell community is fanatically non-hostile. At least compared to other mailing lists or newsgroups I've subscribed to.
I'm in favor of keeping personal accusations off of this list. Calling someone a troll on a public list isn't really helpful to the conversation.
+1 I think the trollishness refers to somebody with three years experience with Haskell and this list, insisting that there should be a centralized leadership, or that somebody ought to commission some particular functionality. This shows a surprising lack of understanding of how an open-source community works, which is easyly interpreted as trolling (i.e. posting just to provoke a response).
In extreme cases, I think some folks have the ability to moderate the list - so it isn't like we need to resort to public personal attacks to keep the discussion productive.
I am 42 now and am surprised how much this still hurts, after all I survived the schoolyard bullies and who would have thought that these times would ever come again?
One difference is that online memory is very short. When you ask another question, this thread will be forgotten, and focus will be back on subject, not person.
I urge you, my fellow haskellers, to show some restraint when we are dealing with one another on this list. And to think twice before you launch a personal attack.
I replied in this thread - I hope you didn't find my replies offensive, but if I were, I apologize. -k -- If I haven't seen further, it is by standing in the footprints of giants
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