Hello, I have built a fixed Hugs for the Zaurus PDA running the OpenZaurus distribution. Download here: http://quux.org/devel/zaurus/hugs_hugs98-Nov2003-r1_arm.ipk Every module except Posix signals appears to be working. -- John
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Hi John, I'm curious if you know what the requirements (memory, model, etc.) for running Hugs on a Zaurus might be: I am not normally a PDA sort of person, but a quick search indicates that Zauruses (Zauri?) are available (used) for around US $30-50 (e.g., 2MB ZR 5800 through 64 MB SL-5500). I'm guessing the 2MB model wouldn't work, but even at the higher prices the temptation would be great. Anyway, thank you for your efforts, on behalf of current and future Zaurus users. -- Fritz PS: I realize that you might not know what the exact requirements are: I imagine you don't have a large range of test systems available :) . On Jan 21, 2005, at 12:15 PM, John Goerzen wrote:
Hello,
I have built a fixed Hugs for the Zaurus PDA running the OpenZaurus distribution. Download here:
http://quux.org/devel/zaurus/hugs_hugs98-Nov2003-r1_arm.ipk
Every module except Posix signals appears to be working.
-- John
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On Sat, Jan 22, 2005 at 01:52:58PM -0800, Fritz Ruehr wrote:
I'm curious if you know what the requirements (memory, model, etc.) for running Hugs on a Zaurus might be: I am not normally a PDA sort of person, but a quick search indicates that Zauruses (Zauri?) are available (used) for around US $30-50 (e.g., 2MB ZR 5800 through 64 MB SL-5500). I'm guessing the 2MB model wouldn't work, but even at the higher prices the temptation would be great.
I can give you some idea, at least. When started from scratch, hugs consumes about 4MB RAM on my system. for those of you not familiar with the Zaurus, it is a PDA from Sharp that runs a version of the Linux kernel and the Qt-derived Qtopia environment from the factory. There arealso numerous projects that have developed alternative Zaurus ROMs, such as OpenZaurus. In addition to the Zaurus models you mentioned, there is also the 640x480 cxx0 series (c760, c860, c700, c750/ etc). These models were only sold in Japan, but are widely available in the rest of the world through ebay and sites like dynamism.com and conics.net.. I have a c760 and it has 128MB RAM IIRC. Most Zaurii can take SD and CF cards. Debian has been ported to the Zaurus also, and can run from a memory card. nhc98 works in such a setting. Of course, hugs already works that way. My effort simply makes it work outside a debian chroot. My understanding is that ghc is currently broken on arm, but if/when that is fixed, you could actually run ghc itself on the zaurus in Debian. Thouhg it sometimes uses almost 1GB of RAM -- that won't do :-) The OpenEmbedded folks have a cross-compilation system built up, and packages of about 1200 well-known unix programs that build in that environment . This is how OpenZaurus itself gets bilt.A They do have a hugs package, but it was broken due to some incompatibilities with cross-compiling. Hope this helps. Feel free to ask if you have any other questions.
On 2005-01-23, John Goerzen
On Sat, Jan 22, 2005 at 01:52:58PM -0800, Fritz Ruehr wrote: I can give you some idea, at least. When started from scratch, hugs consumes about 4MB RAM on my system.
I should follow up and mention that the busybox ps doesn't split out shared memory, so the cost is not actually that high.
640x480 cxx0 series (c760, c860, c700, c750/ etc). These models were only sold in Japan, but are widely available in the rest of the world through ebay and sites like dynamism.com and conics.net.. I have a c760 and it has 128MB RAM IIRC.
Sorry.. 128MB flash, 64MB SDRAM.
At 20:15 21/01/05 +0000, John Goerzen wrote:
Hello,
I have built a fixed Hugs for the Zaurus PDA running the OpenZaurus distribution. Download here:
Cool! I've often thought Haskell should be a good language for programming PDA functions, as a kind of super-calculator. Now I've seen versions mentioned for two PDAs, but no Palm yet. #g ------------ Graham Klyne For email: http://www.ninebynine.org/#Contact
On Mon, Jan 24, 2005 at 04:48:49PM +0000, Graham Klyne wrote:
At 20:15 21/01/05 +0000, John Goerzen wrote:
I have built a fixed Hugs for the Zaurus PDA running the OpenZaurus distribution. Download here: http://quux.org/devel/zaurus/hugs_hugs98-Nov2003-r1_arm.ipk
Cool!
I've often thought Haskell should be a good language for programming PDA functions, as a kind of super-calculator. Now I've seen versions mentioned for two PDAs, but no Palm yet.
Out of curiosity, do you know what the other PDA is? I suspect the reason there's nothing for Palm is because one probably can't just port to it in the normal sense. For isntance, until recently, PalmOS had no notion of a filesystem, though it does have simplistic database functions built in and a type/creator thing similar to older versions of MacOS. Memory is also quite constrained on many Palms, and I think management is different than in standard C, but I'm not certain of that. The port to Zaurus is easy because it is a real OS (Linux) on it. Even comes with a terminal emulator. And one can run Debian or X (www.pdaxrom.org) on it, too. It's a good PDA for a geek :-) -- John
There was work done on haskell for the palmos done my Tony Sloane and Matt Tarnawski at Macquarie University. In the end, Matt mangaged to demonstrate a working palm runtime (based on nhc I believe) but in the process discovered all kinds of reasons trying to get a haskell interpreter on a palm pilot was going to be trouble. The work at macquarie on palms and haskell now centers on using Haskell as a language to aid programming for the palm - not for controlling the palm directly. Instead of creating palm apps in haskell (requiring the runtime) the preferred option is to generate c-code from haskell code. Two senior academics at Macquarie have a (probably rare?) combination of interests - palm and haskell - and as a result there is some really interesting research being done. Stay tuned - you should see most of the really interesting stuff in the communities report, but if you want more info, or you are working in this area yourself...... matt On 25/01/2005, at 4:31 AM, John Goerzen wrote:
On Mon, Jan 24, 2005 at 04:48:49PM +0000, Graham Klyne wrote:
At 20:15 21/01/05 +0000, John Goerzen wrote:
I have built a fixed Hugs for the Zaurus PDA running the OpenZaurus distribution. Download here: http://quux.org/devel/zaurus/hugs_hugs98-Nov2003-r1_arm.ipk
Cool!
I've often thought Haskell should be a good language for programming PDA functions, as a kind of super-calculator. Now I've seen versions mentioned for two PDAs, but no Palm yet.
Out of curiosity, do you know what the other PDA is?
I suspect the reason there's nothing for Palm is because one probably can't just port to it in the normal sense. For isntance, until recently, PalmOS had no notion of a filesystem, though it does have simplistic database functions built in and a type/creator thing similar to older versions of MacOS. Memory is also quite constrained on many Palms, and I think management is different than in standard C, but I'm not certain of that.
The port to Zaurus is easy because it is a real OS (Linux) on it. Even comes with a terminal emulator. And one can run Debian or X (www.pdaxrom.org) on it, too. It's a good PDA for a geek :-)
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At 11:31 24/01/05 -0600, John Goerzen wrote:
On Mon, Jan 24, 2005 at 04:48:49PM +0000, Graham Klyne wrote:
At 20:15 21/01/05 +0000, John Goerzen wrote:
I have built a fixed Hugs for the Zaurus PDA running the OpenZaurus distribution. Download here: http://quux.org/devel/zaurus/hugs_hugs98-Nov2003-r1_arm.ipk
Cool!
I've often thought Haskell should be a good language for programming PDA functions, as a kind of super-calculator. Now I've seen versions mentioned for two PDAs, but no Palm yet.
Out of curiosity, do you know what the other PDA is?
It was WinCE, announced hereabouts recently... http://www.haskell.org/pipermail/haskell/2005-January/015105.html #g --
I suspect the reason there's nothing for Palm is because one probably can't just port to it in the normal sense. For isntance, until recently, PalmOS had no notion of a filesystem, though it does have simplistic database functions built in and a type/creator thing similar to older versions of MacOS. Memory is also quite constrained on many Palms, and I think management is different than in standard C, but I'm not certain of that.
The port to Zaurus is easy because it is a real OS (Linux) on it. Even comes with a terminal emulator. And one can run Debian or X (www.pdaxrom.org) on it, too. It's a good PDA for a geek :-)
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