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Recently I found that links from Google search results to archive Haskell-Cafe messages are invalid. The messages are still there, but got a different number. E.g. the search result says: http://www.haskell.org/pipermail/haskell-cafe/2011-February/089455.html But the message is at http://www.haskell.org/pipermail/haskell-cafe/2011-February/088146.html Also links from Haskell-Wiki articles to the Haskell-Cafe archive are invalid now. This is very very very bad, since I used tons of such URLs in Wiki articles and it is very hard to find the message I referred to, if the URL does not work anymore.

On 8/10/13 4:49 AM, Henning Thielemann wrote:
Recently I found that links from Google search results to archive Haskell-Cafe messages are invalid. The messages are still there, but got a different number. E.g. the search result says: http://www.haskell.org/pipermail/haskell-cafe/2011-February/089455.html
But the message is at http://www.haskell.org/pipermail/haskell-cafe/2011-February/088146.html
Also links from Haskell-Wiki articles to the Haskell-Cafe archive are invalid now. This is very very very bad, since I used tons of such URLs in Wiki articles and it is very hard to find the message I referred to, if the URL does not work anymore.
Thanks for bringing this up. There's been lots of flux in the servers lately due to migrations. I'll try to make sure this gets looked into. -g

Yes, I also found that links from Google to archives don't work any more. (Also fact that hpaste just went away, invalidating all my links to hpastes, is similarly bad.) On Sat 10 Aug 2013 17:49:35 JST, Henning Thielemann wrote:
Recently I found that links from Google search results to archive Haskell-Cafe messages are invalid. The messages are still there, but got a different number. E.g. the search result says: http://www.haskell.org/pipermail/haskell-cafe/2011-February/089455.html
But the message is at http://www.haskell.org/pipermail/haskell-cafe/2011-February/088146.html
Also links from Haskell-Wiki articles to the Haskell-Cafe archive are invalid now. This is very very very bad, since I used tons of such URLs in Wiki articles and it is very hard to find the message I referred to, if the URL does not work anymore.
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On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Niklas Hambüchen
(Also fact that hpaste just went away, invalidating all my links to hpastes, is similarly bad.)
Those at least are recoverable, just replace hpaste.org with lpaste.net(content is still there). But still. -- brandon s allbery kf8nh sine nomine associates allbery.b@gmail.com ballbery@sinenomine.net unix, openafs, kerberos, infrastructure, xmonad http://sinenomine.net

On 11/08/13 00:50, Brandon Allbery wrote:
Those at least are recoverable, just replace hpaste.org http://hpaste.org with lpaste.net http://lpaste.net (content is still there). But still.
Unfortunately I cannot amend emails that I have sent. Could we not just have kept the domain and set a CNAME entry to the new one?

Henning,
Thanks for the report. I'm currently investigating this, and think it
should be possible to keep all of the old URLs intact.
On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Niklas Hambüchen
On 11/08/13 00:50, Brandon Allbery wrote:
Those at least are recoverable, just replace hpaste.org http://hpaste.org with lpaste.net http://lpaste.net (content is still there). But still.
Unfortunately I cannot amend emails that I have sent.
Could we not just have kept the domain and set a CNAME entry to the new one?
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Austin: Do you have any update on this? On 11/08/13 04:48, Austin Seipp wrote:
Henning,
Thanks for the report. I'm currently investigating this, and think it should be possible to keep all of the old URLs intact.
On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Niklas Hambüchen
wrote: On 11/08/13 00:50, Brandon Allbery wrote:
Those at least are recoverable, just replace hpaste.org http://hpaste.org with lpaste.net http://lpaste.net (content is still there). But still.
Unfortunately I cannot amend emails that I have sent.
Could we not just have kept the domain and set a CNAME entry to the new one?

Hi, Am Samstag, den 10.08.2013, 10:49 +0200 schrieb Henning Thielemann:
Recently I found that links from Google search results to archive Haskell-Cafe messages are invalid. The messages are still there, but got a different number. E.g. the search result says: http://www.haskell.org/pipermail/haskell-cafe/2011-February/089455.html
But the message is at http://www.haskell.org/pipermail/haskell-cafe/2011-February/088146.html
Also links from Haskell-Wiki articles to the Haskell-Cafe archive are invalid now. This is very very very bad, since I used tons of such URLs in Wiki articles and it is very hard to find the message I referred to, if the URL does not work anymore.
happens with mailman/pipermail occasionally. It is more reliable to link to message ids, e.g. via gmame: http://mid.gmane.org/4D779F63.9050506%40irit.fr (random example from my browser history) lists.debian.org also allows links with message ids: http://lists.debian.org/20120408083121.GB9680@flashgordon (another random example) but I don’t know if this is an easy to enable standard mailman feature. Greetings, Joachim -- Joachim “nomeata” Breitner mail@joachim-breitner.de • http://www.joachim-breitner.de/ Jabber: nomeata@joachim-breitner.de • GPG-Key: 0x4743206C Debian Developer: nomeata@debian.org

2013/8/12 Joachim Breitner
happens with mailman/pipermail occasionally.
o_O That's news to me... Why/how does this happen? This sounds like a serious bug to me, the URLs should really, really be stable to be of any use.
It is more reliable to link to message ids, e.g. via gmame: [...]
That hint doesn't really help to unbreak the Haskell wiki, the various trac instances, my mailbox, etc. :-(

Hi, Am Montag, den 12.08.2013, 14:52 +0200 schrieb Sven Panne:
2013/8/12 Joachim Breitner
: happens with mailman/pipermail occasionally.
o_O That's news to me... Why/how does this happen? This sounds like a serious bug to me, the URLs should really, really be stable to be of any use.
I only observed it, never debugged it, but I think a common case is if mailing lists posts are removed (e.g. because they are spam) and then the archive is re-created.
It is more reliable to link to message ids, e.g. via gmame: [...]
That hint doesn't really help to unbreak the Haskell wiki, the various trac instances, my mailbox, etc. :-(
Unfortunately true. Greetings, Joachim -- Joachim “nomeata” Breitner mail@joachim-breitner.de • http://www.joachim-breitner.de/ Jabber: nomeata@joachim-breitner.de • GPG-Key: 0x4743206C Debian Developer: nomeata@debian.org
participants (7)
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Austin Seipp
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Brandon Allbery
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Gershom Bazerman
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Henning Thielemann
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Joachim Breitner
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Niklas Hambüchen
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Sven Panne