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Malcolm Wallace

22 Sep 2010 22 Sep '10

6:42 a.m.

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From: Sandra Jüssen Subject: Haskell at bettercodes.org

Dear Haskell Community,

we are an open source project called bettercodes.org and our goal is to build up the leading developer community and collaboration with a broad range of useful developer tools and feature, including a free code hosting with a full project management.

bettercodes.org should be no binded to any technology, programming language, philosophy. A true place for all developers from around the world.

We are online since nearly five month, but we have a lack of Haskell enthusiats. We want to invite the Haskell community to join bettercodes.org and establish a strong presence their. Not instead of the pure Haskell communty server, but as an extention to force the exchange with other developers.

For any question, please contact me...

Kind Regards, Sandra

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Ertugrul Soeylemez

22 Sep 22 Sep

8:44 a.m.

New subject: Haskell at bettercodes.org

Malcolm Wallace wrote:

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we are an open source project called bettercodes.org and our goal is to build up the leading developer community and collaboration with a broad range of useful developer tools and feature, including a free code hosting with a full project management.

bettercodes.org should be no binded to any technology, programming language, philosophy. A true place for all developers from around the world.

We are online since nearly five month, but we have a lack of Haskell enthusiats. We want to invite the Haskell community to join bettercodes.org and establish a strong presence their. Not instead of the pure Haskell communty server, but as an extention to force the exchange with other developers.

For any question, please contact me...

Hello Sandra, hello Malcolm, this sounds like an interesting idea, but unfortunately the site won't work without JavaScript. I think, a professional developer site should. I have no particular problem with JavaScript for additional features or eye candy, but it shouldn't be an absolute requirement. Greets, Ertugrul -- nightmare = unsafePerformIO (getWrongWife >>= sex) http://ertes.de/

David Sankel

11:15 a.m.

New subject: Haskell at bettercodes.org

On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 8:44 AM, Ertugrul Soeylemez wrote:

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Malcolm Wallace wrote:

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we are an open source project called bettercodes.org and our goal is to build up the leading developer community and collaboration with a broad range of useful developer tools and feature, including a free code hosting with a full project management.

bettercodes.org should be no binded to any technology, programming language, philosophy. A true place for all developers from around the world.

We are online since nearly five month, but we have a lack of Haskell enthusiats. We want to invite the Haskell community to join bettercodes.org and establish a strong presence their. Not instead of the pure Haskell communty server, but as an extention to force the exchange with other developers.

For any question, please contact me...

Hello Sandra, hello Malcolm,

this sounds like an interesting idea, but unfortunately the site won't work without JavaScript. I think, a professional developer site should.

I can understand why it would be slightly better for any website to not require JavaScript clients since it becomes a bit more accessible. I'm confused though about why being a "professional developer" site would make this feature even more important. Care to expand on that? Thanks, David -- David Sankel Sankel Software www.sankelsoftware.com

Gwern Branwen

11:21 a.m.

New subject: Haskell at bettercodes.org

On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 11:15 AM, David Sankel wrote:

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I can understand why it would be slightly better for any website to not require JavaScript clients since it becomes a bit more accessible. I'm confused though about why being a "professional developer" site would make this feature even more important. Care to expand on that? Thanks, David

I would guess it's because developers are much more likely to be using all manner of weird & wonderful methods of access, like a text browser (elinks) from a command-line over a packet-radio link to the sub-Saharan bush, as they try to develop a script to download the site and compile everything into Brainfuck. Or something. A 'normal' person, on the other hand, wouldn't know a non-Safari/Firefox/IE/Chrome browser if it smacked them upside the head. -- gwern

Ertugrul Soeylemez

3:57 p.m.

New subject: Haskell at bettercodes.org

David Sankel wrote:

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On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 8:44 AM, Ertugrul Soeylemez wrote:

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Hello Sandra, hello Malcolm,

this sounds like an interesting idea, but unfortunately the site won't work without JavaScript. I think, a professional developer site should.

I can understand why it would be slightly better for any website to not require JavaScript clients since it becomes a bit more accessible. I'm confused though about why being a "professional developer" site would make this feature even more important. Care to expand on that?

Even though I'm being made fun of, Gwern is actually right. When coding I sometimes find it much quicker to use some text browser or in-editor browser to look something up. Developers shouldn't be denied doing that, because development doesn't need fancy eye candy. As said, JavaScript /support/ is fine, but JavaScript /requirement/ isn't. But that's just my humble opinion. Greets, Ertugrul -- nightmare = unsafePerformIO (getWrongWife >>= sex) http://ertes.de/

Marc Weber

4:27 p.m.

New subject: Haskell at bettercodes.org

Excerpts from Ertugrul Soeylemez's message of Wed Sep 22 21:57:32 +0200 2010:

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Even though I'm being made fun of, Gwern is actually right. When coding I sometimes find it much quicker to use some text browser or in-editor browser to look something up. Developers shouldn't be denied doing that, because development doesn't need fancy eye candy. As said, JavaScript /support/ is fine, but JavaScript /requirement/ isn't. But that's just my humble opinion.

You can have both: www.heindke-bis.de is a page I created for a customer. The trick is to add the JS candy enhancements using JS only. Then you can enhance the interface by adding onclick attributes etc. But its still browsable by elinks and search engines by using usual href attributes. If you think about it you may find a solution which satisfies both needs. Marc Weber

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Malcolm Wallace
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