Thanks! Will take a look at it. Greetings, Antonio El Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 05:20:57PM -0500, Ivan Perez escribió:

Hi Antonio,

I've long envisioned a reimplementation of Fudgets using Monadic Stream Functions [1].

MSFs are like Yampa's SFs but with constrained side effects and without the mandatory continuous time (but you can put it back).

I don't think there is a fundamental limitation other than finding the time to do it. Sometimes there's issues with implementing arr in these kinds of systems (because it lifts a pure function and so it creates a widget with uninitialized state), but it can be worked out. Ping me up if you want to talk about this. I was going to do something along these lines by the end of my PhD, so I thought a bit about how to do it. I also did some experiments for application debugging that used similar ideas.

All the best,

Ivan

[1] https://github.com/ivanperez-keera/dunai/

On Thu, 11 Mar 2021 at 17:13, Antonio wrote:

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I wonder why there is no Fudgets package in Hackage.

I found this, but the fudgets link is broken:

http://hackage.haskell.org/user/ThomasHallgren

Nevertheless, there is a cabalized package in the Fudgets homepage, so it's strange it's not in Hackage.

Also, is there an arrowized version of Fudgets? If not, why? Is there some fundamental reason that makes it impossible to port it to the arrows framework or simply nobody cared to port it? (Also, the license seems to not allow modifications.)

I'm trying to write a bittorrent client in Haskell. I decided to use arrows for it and took a look at Fudgets and Yampa. I haven't decided yet which one to use. Fudgets seems more suitable and I like it more, but the fact that it doesn't use the arrow notation and classes is a bit annoying.

I read that Fruit is more or less a mix of Fudgets and Yampa that uses arrows. Sadly, it's unmaintained, the web doesn't exist and it's not in Hackage. Is there any other Fudgets-like option?

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Hi Thomas, Oh, I didn't see that candidate. It's nice to have Fudgets in Hackage eventually. I'll try to arrowize it, but it will take quite some time. I'll probably finish my bittorrent client first with Fudgets as it's now, in order to have a good grasp of it, and later I'll take a dive into X11 and Fudgets internals to try to modernize it. Best regards, Antonio El Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 12:28:07PM +0100, Thomas Hallgren escribió:

Hi Antonio,

I have contemplated publishing Fudgets on Hackage, and the reason for the broken link is that I uploaded a package candidate [1]. But Fudgets has remained essentially the same since the mid 90s, and while it still works and is available from the Fudgets home page [2], its age shows in many ways, and that's why I hesitate to publish it on Hackage...

Best regards, Thomas H

[1] https://hackage.haskell.org/package/fudgets-0.18.2/candidate [2] https://www.altocumulus.org/Fudgets/

On 2021-03-11 23:12, Antonio wrote:

...

I wonder why there is no Fudgets package in Hackage.

I found this, but the fudgets link is broken:

http://hackage.haskell.org/user/ThomasHallgren

Nevertheless, there is a cabalized package in the Fudgets homepage, so it's strange it's not in Hackage.

Also, is there an arrowized version of Fudgets? If not, why? Is there some fundamental reason that makes it impossible to port it to the arrows framework or simply nobody cared to port it? (Also, the license seems to not allow modifications.)

I'm trying to write a bittorrent client in Haskell. I decided to use arrows for it and took a look at Fudgets and Yampa. I haven't decided yet which one to use. Fudgets seems more suitable and I like it more, but the fact that it doesn't use the arrow notation and classes is a bit annoying.

I read that Fruit is more or less a mix of Fudgets and Yampa that uses arrows. Sadly, it's unmaintained, the web doesn't exist and it's not in Hackage. Is there any other Fudgets-like option?

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