Yeah, that's what I was thinking, not a bad recruiting strategy though On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 3:15 PM, Christopher Allen wrote:

To your point,

...

- strong experience developing in a functional programming environment (Haskell, Erlang, others).

is usually a dog-whistle for "we want better than average programmers but we're going to make them use tools that'll make them less effective and less happy"

On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 2:12 PM, Charles Durham wrote:

...

Nothing in the description (aside from the subject line) says that the engineer would be developing in Haskell. The C/C++/Python/Go to me indicates this has no business being posted here. Am I wrong?

Charles Durham

On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 3:08 PM, Charles Weitzer wrote:

...

Voleon Capital Management LP is a quantitative hedge fund located in Berkeley, California. We would like to hire a senior software engineer with strong functional programming experience as soon as possible.

Voleon’s founders previously worked together at one of the most successful quantitative hedge funds in the world. Our CEO has a PhD in Computer Science from Stanford and has been CEO and founder of a successful Internet infrastructure startup. Our Chief Investment Officer has a PhD in Statistics from Berkeley. Voleon’s team includes PhD's from leading departments in statistics, computer science, and mathematics. We have made several unpublished advances in the field of machine learning and in other areas as well.

Here is our formal job description:

**********************************************************

* Senior Software Engineer *

Technology-driven investment firm employing cutting-edge statistical machine learning techniques seeks an exceptionally capable software engineer. You will architect and implement new production trading systems, machine learning infrastructure, data integration pipelines, and large-scale storage systems.

The firm researches and deploys systematic trading strategies designed to generate attractive returns without being dependent on the performance of the overall market. Join a team of under 30 people that includes a Berkeley statistics professor as well as over ten PhD's from Berkeley, Chicago, CMU, MIT, Princeton, Stanford, and UCLA, led by the founder and CEO of a successful Internet infrastructure technology firm. The firm’s offices are walking distance from BART and the UC Berkeley campus in downtown Berkeley, California. We have a casual and collegial office environment, catered lunches, and competitive benefits packages.

We seek candidates with a proven track record of writing correct, well-designed software, solving hard problems, and delivering complex projects on time. You should preferably have experience designing and implementing fault-tolerant distributed systems. Experience with building large-scale data infrastructure, stream processing systems, or latency-sensitive programs is a bonus.

We are growing rapidly. Willingness to take initiative and a gritty determination to productize are essential.

Required experience:

- strong experience developing in a functional programming environment (Haskell, Erlang, others).

- developing with C/C++/Python/Go in a Linux environment with a focus on performance, concurrency, and correctness. - working in TCP/IP networking, multi-threading, and server development. - working with common Internet protocols (IP, TCP/UDP, SSL/TLS, HTTP, SNMP, etc.). - architecting and designing highly available systems. - architecting and designing large-scale data management infrastructure. - working in large codebases and building modular, manageable code.

Preferred experience.:

- debugging and performance profiling, including the use of tools such as strace, valgrind, gdb, tcpdump, etc. - working with build and test automation tools. - working with well-defined change management processes. - diagnosing RDBMS performance problems, exploiting indexing, using EXPLAIN PLAN, optimizing at the code layer, etc. - working with messaging queues (RabbitMQ, Redis, etc.) as well as distributed caching systems.

Interest in financial applications is essential, but experience in finance is not a primary factor in our hiring.

Benefits and compensation are highly competitive.

**********************************************************

The above job description is just a starting point in terms of possible duties and seniority. We can be very flexible for the right person.

If you are interested please apply on our website: http://voleon.com/apply/.

If you have any questions or if you know of anyone who might be interested, let us know the best way to get in touch and we can discuss details.

Thank you,

Charles Weitzer

Senior Recruiter

Voleon Capital Management LP Office: 510.704.9870 x 7012

Mobile: (510) 558-9182

www.Voleon.com http://www.voleon.com/

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Point in favor at least some Haskell use occurring is that there is at least one very active Haskeller at Voleon. On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Christopher Allen wrote:

They've done this before (see attachment). If they don't give a straight answer on whether or not they're actually using Haskell, can they be blocked from posting to the ML for spam?

On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 2:25 PM, Charles Durham wrote:

...

Yeah, that's what I was thinking, not a bad recruiting strategy though

On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 3:15 PM, Christopher Allen wrote:

...

To your point,

...

- strong experience developing in a functional programming environment (Haskell, Erlang, others).

is usually a dog-whistle for "we want better than average programmers but we're going to make them use tools that'll make them less effective and less happy"

On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 2:12 PM, Charles Durham wrote:

...

Nothing in the description (aside from the subject line) says that the engineer would be developing in Haskell. The C/C++/Python/Go to me indicates this has no business being posted here. Am I wrong?

Charles Durham

On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 3:08 PM, Charles Weitzer wrote:

...

Voleon Capital Management LP is a quantitative hedge fund located in Berkeley, California. We would like to hire a senior software engineer with strong functional programming experience as soon as possible.

Voleon’s founders previously worked together at one of the most successful quantitative hedge funds in the world. Our CEO has a PhD in Computer Science from Stanford and has been CEO and founder of a successful Internet infrastructure startup. Our Chief Investment Officer has a PhD in Statistics from Berkeley. Voleon’s team includes PhD's from leading departments in statistics, computer science, and mathematics. We have made several unpublished advances in the field of machine learning and in other areas as well.

Here is our formal job description:

**********************************************************

* Senior Software Engineer *

Technology-driven investment firm employing cutting-edge statistical machine learning techniques seeks an exceptionally capable software engineer. You will architect and implement new production trading systems, machine learning infrastructure, data integration pipelines, and large-scale storage systems.

The firm researches and deploys systematic trading strategies designed to generate attractive returns without being dependent on the performance of the overall market. Join a team of under 30 people that includes a Berkeley statistics professor as well as over ten PhD's from Berkeley, Chicago, CMU, MIT, Princeton, Stanford, and UCLA, led by the founder and CEO of a successful Internet infrastructure technology firm. The firm’s offices are walking distance from BART and the UC Berkeley campus in downtown Berkeley, California. We have a casual and collegial office environment, catered lunches, and competitive benefits packages.

We seek candidates with a proven track record of writing correct, well-designed software, solving hard problems, and delivering complex projects on time. You should preferably have experience designing and implementing fault-tolerant distributed systems. Experience with building large-scale data infrastructure, stream processing systems, or latency-sensitive programs is a bonus.

We are growing rapidly. Willingness to take initiative and a gritty determination to productize are essential.

Required experience:

- strong experience developing in a functional programming environment (Haskell, Erlang, others).

- developing with C/C++/Python/Go in a Linux environment with a focus on performance, concurrency, and correctness. - working in TCP/IP networking, multi-threading, and server development. - working with common Internet protocols (IP, TCP/UDP, SSL/TLS, HTTP, SNMP, etc.). - architecting and designing highly available systems. - architecting and designing large-scale data management infrastructure. - working in large codebases and building modular, manageable code.

Preferred experience.:

- debugging and performance profiling, including the use of tools such as strace, valgrind, gdb, tcpdump, etc. - working with build and test automation tools. - working with well-defined change management processes. - diagnosing RDBMS performance problems, exploiting indexing, using EXPLAIN PLAN, optimizing at the code layer, etc. - working with messaging queues (RabbitMQ, Redis, etc.) as well as distributed caching systems.

Interest in financial applications is essential, but experience in finance is not a primary factor in our hiring.

Benefits and compensation are highly competitive.

**********************************************************

The above job description is just a starting point in terms of possible duties and seniority. We can be very flexible for the right person.

If you are interested please apply on our website: http://voleon.com/apply/.

If you have any questions or if you know of anyone who might be interested, let us know the best way to get in touch and we can discuss details.

Thank you,

Charles Weitzer

Senior Recruiter

Voleon Capital Management LP Office: 510.704.9870 x 7012

Mobile: (510) 558-9182

www.Voleon.com http://www.voleon.com/

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Yes I noted you have contributors to the community working for you in an earlier email, the question is whether the job will involve using Haskell or not. Does the position entail using Haskell? If yes, what percentage of the work approximately will be in Haskell? If no, are there any plans to start evaluating Haskell internally? If there are such plans, will this position likely involve being a part of that?

We have one of the top contributors to the Haskell language onsite working for us fulltime.

Does the company allocate them time to work on open source? If so, how much and how often? For example, Guido van Rossum had arrangements in the past where his time was split 50/50 between managing Python and company projects. Does Voleon sponsor Haskell.org or any open source projects in Haskell? Summer of code? Is the position for a team where there are other Haskellers? On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 3:55 PM, Charles Weitzer wrote:

What are you talking about? We have in the past and continue to post to this ML. We have interviewed people from this list and have flown them in from around the world to interview onsite. We have one of the top contributors to the Haskell language onsite working for us fulltime. Please stop guessing about our motives. We are one of the top machine learning groups in the world. We need great people, both researchers and programmers, to come help us grow our company. We have found that people with extensive experience and expertise in Haskell tend to be very good at doing what we need done.

Charles Weitzer

Senior Recruiter

Voleon Capital Management LP

*Charles@Voleon.com * Office: 510.704.9870 x 7012

Mobile: (510) 558-9182

www.Voleon.com

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*From:* Christopher Allen [mailto:cma@bitemyapp.com] *Sent:* Monday, November 02, 2015 12:46 PM *To:* Charles Durham *Cc:* Charles Weitzer ; Haskell Cafe < haskell-cafe@haskell.org> *Subject:* Re: [Haskell-cafe] Haskell Engineer Needed for Machine Learning Group

They've done this before (see attachment). If they don't give a straight answer on whether or not they're actually using Haskell, can they be blocked from posting to the ML for spam?

On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 2:25 PM, Charles Durham wrote:

Yeah, that's what I was thinking, not a bad recruiting strategy though

On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 3:15 PM, Christopher Allen wrote:

To your point,

...

- strong experience developing in a functional programming environment (Haskell, Erlang, others).

is usually a dog-whistle for "we want better than average programmers but we're going to make them use tools that'll make them less effective and less happy"

On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 2:12 PM, Charles Durham wrote:

Nothing in the description (aside from the subject line) says that the engineer would be developing in Haskell. The C/C++/Python/Go to me indicates this has no business being posted here. Am I wrong?

Charles Durham

On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 3:08 PM, Charles Weitzer wrote:

Voleon Capital Management LP is a quantitative hedge fund located in Berkeley, California. We would like to hire a senior software engineer with strong functional programming experience as soon as possible.

Voleon’s founders previously worked together at one of the most successful quantitative hedge funds in the world. Our CEO has a PhD in Computer Science from Stanford and has been CEO and founder of a successful Internet infrastructure startup. Our Chief Investment Officer has a PhD in Statistics from Berkeley. Voleon’s team includes PhD's from leading departments in statistics, computer science, and mathematics. We have made several unpublished advances in the field of machine learning and in other areas as well.

Here is our formal job description:

**********************************************************

* Senior Software Engineer *

Technology-driven investment firm employing cutting-edge statistical machine learning techniques seeks an exceptionally capable software engineer. You will architect and implement new production trading systems, machine learning infrastructure, data integration pipelines, and large-scale storage systems.

The firm researches and deploys systematic trading strategies designed to generate attractive returns without being dependent on the performance of the overall market. Join a team of under 30 people that includes a Berkeley statistics professor as well as over ten PhD's from Berkeley, Chicago, CMU, MIT, Princeton, Stanford, and UCLA, led by the founder and CEO of a successful Internet infrastructure technology firm. The firm’s offices are walking distance from BART and the UC Berkeley campus in downtown Berkeley, California. We have a casual and collegial office environment, catered lunches, and competitive benefits packages.

We seek candidates with a proven track record of writing correct, well-designed software, solving hard problems, and delivering complex projects on time. You should preferably have experience designing and implementing fault-tolerant distributed systems. Experience with building large-scale data infrastructure, stream processing systems, or latency-sensitive programs is a bonus.

We are growing rapidly. Willingness to take initiative and a gritty determination to productize are essential.

Required experience:

- strong experience developing in a functional programming environment (Haskell, Erlang, others).

- developing with C/C++/Python/Go in a Linux environment with a focus on performance, concurrency, and correctness. - working in TCP/IP networking, multi-threading, and server development. - working with common Internet protocols (IP, TCP/UDP, SSL/TLS, HTTP, SNMP, etc.). - architecting and designing highly available systems. - architecting and designing large-scale data management infrastructure. - working in large codebases and building modular, manageable code.

Preferred experience.:

- debugging and performance profiling, including the use of tools such as strace, valgrind, gdb, tcpdump, etc. - working with build and test automation tools. - working with well-defined change management processes. - diagnosing RDBMS performance problems, exploiting indexing, using EXPLAIN PLAN, optimizing at the code layer, etc. - working with messaging queues (RabbitMQ, Redis, etc.) as well as distributed caching systems.

Interest in financial applications is essential, but experience in finance is not a primary factor in our hiring.

Benefits and compensation are highly competitive.

**********************************************************

The above job description is just a starting point in terms of possible duties and seniority. We can be very flexible for the right person.

If you are interested please apply on our website: http://voleon.com/apply/.

If you have any questions or if you know of anyone who might be interested, let us know the best way to get in touch and we can discuss details.

Thank you,

Charles Weitzer

Senior Recruiter

Voleon Capital Management LP Office: 510.704.9870 x 7012

Mobile: (510) 558-9182

www.Voleon.com http://www.voleon.com/

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Currently working on http://haskellbook.com

-- Chris Allen Currently working on http://haskellbook.com

Thanks to the thread for taking the time to suss out a bogus job advertisement. On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 2:11 PM, Ian Ross wrote:

It doesn't appear to be a Haskell job. The job announcement on their website is here: https://voleon.simplicant.com/jobs/18439/detail -- they only add the line about "strong experience developing in a functional programming environment (Haskell, Erlang, others)" when they're spamming Erlang and Haskell mailing lists. If it's not a Haskell job, it doesn't belong here. Unless people want to open the list up to everyone who thinks they have an "interesting" job, of course.

On 2 November 2015 at 23:08, Christopher Allen wrote:

...

Yes I noted you have contributors to the community working for you in an earlier email, the question is whether the job will involve using Haskell or not. Does the position entail using Haskell? If yes, what percentage of the work approximately will be in Haskell? If no, are there any plans to start evaluating Haskell internally? If there are such plans, will this position likely involve being a part of that?

...

We have one of the top contributors to the Haskell language onsite working for us fulltime.

Does the company allocate them time to work on open source? If so, how much and how often? For example, Guido van Rossum had arrangements in the past where his time was split 50/50 between managing Python and company projects. Does Voleon sponsor Haskell.org or any open source projects in Haskell? Summer of code? Is the position for a team where there are other Haskellers?

On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 3:55 PM, Charles Weitzer wrote:

...

What are you talking about? We have in the past and continue to post to this ML. We have interviewed people from this list and have flown them in from around the world to interview onsite. We have one of the top contributors to the Haskell language onsite working for us fulltime. Please stop guessing about our motives. We are one of the top machine learning groups in the world. We need great people, both researchers and programmers, to come help us grow our company. We have found that people with extensive experience and expertise in Haskell tend to be very good at doing what we need done.

Charles Weitzer

Senior Recruiter

Voleon Capital Management LP

*Charles@Voleon.com * Office: 510.704.9870 x 7012

Mobile: (510) 558-9182

www.Voleon.com

Confidential: This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. Any comments or statements made herein do not necessarily reflect those of The Voleon Group, Voleon Funds LP, Voleon Capital Management LP, and their subsidiaries or affiliates. Please note that this e-mail has been created with the knowledge that Internet e-mail is not a 100% secure communications medium. We advise that you understand and observe this lack of security when sending and/or receiving email communications between Voleon Funds LP, Voleon Capital Management LP, and any of their subsidiaries/affiliates and yourself.

Privacy: Voleon Funds LP, Voleon Capital Management LP, and their subsidiaries and affiliates archive incoming and outgoing emails and accordingly, may, at their discretion, monitor and review the content of all e-mail communications.

*From:* Christopher Allen [mailto:cma@bitemyapp.com] *Sent:* Monday, November 02, 2015 12:46 PM *To:* Charles Durham *Cc:* Charles Weitzer ; Haskell Cafe < haskell-cafe@haskell.org> *Subject:* Re: [Haskell-cafe] Haskell Engineer Needed for Machine Learning Group

They've done this before (see attachment). If they don't give a straight answer on whether or not they're actually using Haskell, can they be blocked from posting to the ML for spam?

On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 2:25 PM, Charles Durham wrote:

Yeah, that's what I was thinking, not a bad recruiting strategy though

On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 3:15 PM, Christopher Allen wrote:

To your point,

...

- strong experience developing in a functional programming environment (Haskell, Erlang, others).

is usually a dog-whistle for "we want better than average programmers but we're going to make them use tools that'll make them less effective and less happy"

On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 2:12 PM, Charles Durham wrote:

Nothing in the description (aside from the subject line) says that the engineer would be developing in Haskell. The C/C++/Python/Go to me indicates this has no business being posted here. Am I wrong?

Charles Durham

On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 3:08 PM, Charles Weitzer wrote:

Voleon Capital Management LP is a quantitative hedge fund located in Berkeley, California. We would like to hire a senior software engineer with strong functional programming experience as soon as possible.

Voleon’s founders previously worked together at one of the most successful quantitative hedge funds in the world. Our CEO has a PhD in Computer Science from Stanford and has been CEO and founder of a successful Internet infrastructure startup. Our Chief Investment Officer has a PhD in Statistics from Berkeley. Voleon’s team includes PhD's from leading departments in statistics, computer science, and mathematics. We have made several unpublished advances in the field of machine learning and in other areas as well.

Here is our formal job description:

**********************************************************

* Senior Software Engineer *

Technology-driven investment firm employing cutting-edge statistical machine learning techniques seeks an exceptionally capable software engineer. You will architect and implement new production trading systems, machine learning infrastructure, data integration pipelines, and large-scale storage systems.

The firm researches and deploys systematic trading strategies designed to generate attractive returns without being dependent on the performance of the overall market. Join a team of under 30 people that includes a Berkeley statistics professor as well as over ten PhD's from Berkeley, Chicago, CMU, MIT, Princeton, Stanford, and UCLA, led by the founder and CEO of a successful Internet infrastructure technology firm. The firm’s offices are walking distance from BART and the UC Berkeley campus in downtown Berkeley, California. We have a casual and collegial office environment, catered lunches, and competitive benefits packages.

We seek candidates with a proven track record of writing correct, well-designed software, solving hard problems, and delivering complex projects on time. You should preferably have experience designing and implementing fault-tolerant distributed systems. Experience with building large-scale data infrastructure, stream processing systems, or latency-sensitive programs is a bonus.

We are growing rapidly. Willingness to take initiative and a gritty determination to productize are essential.

Required experience:

- strong experience developing in a functional programming environment (Haskell, Erlang, others).

- developing with C/C++/Python/Go in a Linux environment with a focus on performance, concurrency, and correctness. - working in TCP/IP networking, multi-threading, and server development. - working with common Internet protocols (IP, TCP/UDP, SSL/TLS, HTTP, SNMP, etc.). - architecting and designing highly available systems. - architecting and designing large-scale data management infrastructure. - working in large codebases and building modular, manageable code.

Preferred experience.:

- debugging and performance profiling, including the use of tools such as strace, valgrind, gdb, tcpdump, etc. - working with build and test automation tools. - working with well-defined change management processes. - diagnosing RDBMS performance problems, exploiting indexing, using EXPLAIN PLAN, optimizing at the code layer, etc. - working with messaging queues (RabbitMQ, Redis, etc.) as well as distributed caching systems.

Interest in financial applications is essential, but experience in finance is not a primary factor in our hiring.

Benefits and compensation are highly competitive.

**********************************************************

The above job description is just a starting point in terms of possible duties and seniority. We can be very flexible for the right person.

If you are interested please apply on our website: http://voleon.com/apply/.

If you have any questions or if you know of anyone who might be interested, let us know the best way to get in touch and we can discuss details.

Thank you,

Charles Weitzer

Senior Recruiter

Voleon Capital Management LP Office: 510.704.9870 x 7012

Mobile: (510) 558-9182

www.Voleon.com http://www.voleon.com/

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On 11/02/2015 03:55 PM, Charles Weitzer wrote:

What are you talking about? We have in the past and continue to post to this ML. We have interviewed people from this list and have flown them in from around the world to interview onsite. We have one of the top contributors to the Haskell language onsite working for us fulltime. Please stop guessing about our motives. We are one of the top machine learning groups in the world. We need great people, both researchers and programmers, to come help us grow our company. We have found that people with extensive experience and expertise in Haskell tend to be very good at doing what we need done.

You ask to stop guessing about your motives, and at the same time you indirectly confirm that the guess was 100% correct. People generally expect job ads posted here be about Haskell jobs, not about unrelated jobs for which you find Haskell a good selection criterion. So either make your ads open and honest about how the job relates to Haskell, or stop posting here. Your response quoted above (amounting to "this works for *us*, and we don't care what *you* think") is not a great way to build a relationship with the community. Roman

On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 5:54 PM, Atze van der Ploeg wrote:

I don't see the problem. They have a job, they want members from this community. People in this community also need jobs.

The problem is bait-and-switch. Suppose you saw a job ad requiring strong experience in academic research. You answered the call and got the job. The first day of work they get you to mine coal for them 2 km below the surface. Would you have a problem? -- Kim-Ee

On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 6:24 PM, Adam Bergmark wrote:

There are plenty of other places where people who don't want to work with haskell can look for employment.

You've lost me. Haskell-cafe is where people gather who want to work with haskell. -- Kim-Ee

On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 11:26 PM, Adam Bergmark wrote:

And you have lost me Kim. To me we seem to agree.

I'm glad we agree :) But my brain is too small to discern the logic by which we got there. -- Kim-Ee

On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 8:20 PM, Steve Schafer wrote:

As an outside observer to the conversation, I think what happened is that Adam's original response to you was actually intended for the one to which that post was a response. An off-by-one error, of sorts.

Oh, thank you Steve. Much obliged. -- Kim-Ee