Does anyone know of a good case study comparing a project written in C versus one written in Haskell? I'm mostly looking for a comparison of lines of code, but any other metric, such as time to market and code quality metrics could also be
2008/8/19 Greg Fitzgerald
Does anyone know of a good case study comparing a project written in C versus one written in Haskell? I'm mostly looking for a comparison of lines of code, but any other metric, such as time to market and code quality metrics could also be
You can easily get some of this data for micro-benchmarks from the shoot out, but it will be laden with caveats and biases: http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/ While I'm sure your question is the right one ("Which technologies improve the development metrics we care about?"), it would seem that the biggest factor for things like time to market and code quality is actually the group of humans involved: http://alistair.cockburn.us/index.php/Characterizing_people_as_non-linear,_f... (these are each very similar and by the same author) http://page.mi.fu-berlin.de/~prechelt/Biblio/jccpprt_computer2000.pdf http://www.cis.udel.edu/~silber/470STUFF/article.pdf http://www.acm.org/pubs/articles/journals/cacm/1999-42-10/p109-prechelt/p109... I found the last one from norvig.com where he has these two essays that go well together: http://norvig.com/java-lisp.html http://norvig.com/21-days.html Good luck! Jason
On Aug 19, 2008, at 9:12 AM, Greg Fitzgerald wrote:
Does anyone know of a good case study comparing a project written in C versus one written in Haskell? I'm mostly looking for a comparison of lines of code, but any other metric, such as time to market and code quality metrics could also be
There's one I know of that compares Haskell to C++ and a number of other languages: Haskell vs. Ada vs. C++ vs. Awk vs. ... An Experiment in Software Prototyping Productivity http://www.haskell.org/papers/NSWC/jfp.ps Aaron
On Aug 19, 2008, at 9:12 AM, Greg Fitzgerald wrote:
Does anyone know of a good case study comparing a project written in C
versus one written in Haskell? I'm mostly looking for a comparison of lines of code, but any other metric, such as time to market and code quality metrics could also be
... loads of great references ...
Thank you all for your help! These references are a great help for pushing Haskell at work. -Greg
garious:
On Aug 19, 2008, at 9:12 AM, Greg Fitzgerald wrote:
Does anyone know of a good case study comparing a project written in C versus one written in Haskell? I'm mostly looking for a comparison of lines of code, but any other metric, such as time to market and code quality metrics could also be
... loads of great references ...
Thank you all for your help! These references are a great help for pushing Haskell at work.
I've also set up the "Who's using Haskell" section on haskell.org's front page -- let me know what you think -- with further documentation on the Industry page, with references to CUFP. Domain-specific stories there can be useful. -- Don
garious:
Greg wrote: Thank you all for your help! These references are a great help for pushing Haskell at work.
Don wrote: I've also set up the "Who's using Haskell" section on [1]haskell.org's front page -- let me know what you think
Great, thanks! I added Qualcomm.
Awesome. I'd strongly encourage people using Haskell in their workplace to mention this on the Industry wiki, http://haskell.org/haskellwiki/Haskell_in_industry -- Don
Hello Greg, Tuesday, August 19, 2008, 8:12:00 PM, you wrote:
Does anyone know of a good case study comparing a project written in C versus one written in Haskell? I'm mostly looking for a comparison of lines of code, but any other metric, such as time to market and code quality metrics could also be
once i compared informally LOC for freearc (freearc.org) and 7-zip (7zip.org) - both are archivers with rather close functionality at the time of comparison - freearc was 3 times smaller. i also think that it wsas developed about 3 times faster than rar/7zip archivers, although this comparison is rather rough overall, i see from 10x improvements when we say about multithreading or complex algorithms to Haskell being even worse than C++ when we say about imperative, especially low-level, especially optimized code -- Best regards, Bulat mailto:Bulat.Ziganshin@gmail.com
"Greg Fitzgerald"
Does anyone know of a good case study comparing a project written in C versus one written in Haskell? I'm mostly looking for a comparison of lines of code,
Some of the "Experience Report" category of paper at ICFP 2007 and 2008 might have the kind of thing you are looking for. I know that mine: "Experience Report: Visualizing Data Through Functional Pipelines" David Duke, Rita Borgo, Colin Runciman, Malcolm Wallace ICFP 2008 has a brief comparison of sLoC between Haskell and C++ implementations of similar algorithms. (But you may have to wait until it is published to obtain an electronic copy.) Regards, Malcolm
Greg Fitzgerald wrote:
Does anyone know of a good case study comparing a project written in C versus one written in Haskell? I'm mostly looking for a comparison of lines of code, but any other metric, such as time to market and code quality metrics could also be
Maybe this one is relevant: "Evaluating High-Level Distributed Language Constructs" by Phil Trinder http://www.macs.hw.ac.uk/~trinder/papers/ICFP2007.pdf which compares GdH, Erlang and C++. Richard.
Speaking of GdH, the web page http://www.macs.hw.ac.uk/~dsg/gdh/ was last updated in June 2007, it says, but the binary snapshot (Linux only) is February 2002, and the "installing GdH" part says it's built using the GHC 5.00 sources. Is GdH dead, or is there a more up to date version lurking somewhere else?
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