Am Dienstag, 10. März 2009 00:59 schrieb Joe Fredette:

Hehe, I love it. Sloth is a synonym for Lazyness in English too, and they're so freaking cute... :)

Same in German: The german “Faultier” means “lazy animal”. Best wishes, Wolfgang

2009/3/11 Bulat Ziganshin :

Hello Wolfgang,

Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 1:06:37 PM, you wrote:

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Hehe, I love it. Sloth is a synonym for Lazyness in English too, and they're so freaking cute... :)

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Same in German: The german “Faultier” means “lazy animal”.

russian too, if that matter. i was really amazed by this idea. pure, lazy and fun! :)

Same in french : 'paresseux' just means lazy. Thu

I have previously thought of something like this, when the initial idea for a sloth was suggested:

I like the ideia, and could imagine something like this: http://i41.tinypic.com/se65ux.jpg

Sorry for the bad drawing and scanning quality. If someone likes the ideia, I'm sure they can do much better than me :)

hugo

On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Deniz Dogan wrote:

2009/3/11 minh thu :

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2009/3/11 Bulat Ziganshin :

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Hello Wolfgang,

Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 1:06:37 PM, you wrote:

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Hehe, I love it. Sloth is a synonym for Lazyness in English too, and they're so freaking cute... :)

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Same in German: The german “Faultier” means “lazy animal”.

russian too, if that matter. i was really amazed by this idea. pure, lazy and fun! :)

Same in french : 'paresseux' just means lazy.

Thu

In Swedish it translates to "late walker" (?) and in Turkish it's "lazy animal".

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Peter Verswyvelen wrote:

In Dutch it is "luiaard' and that also means "lazy person".

On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 2:52 PM, Deniz Dogan mailto:deniz.a.m.dogan@gmail.com> wrote:

2009/3/11 minh thu mailto:noteed@gmail.com>: > 2009/3/11 Bulat Ziganshin mailto:bulat.ziganshin@gmail.com>: >> Hello Wolfgang, >> >> Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 1:06:37 PM, you wrote: >> >>>> Hehe, I love it. Sloth is a synonym for Lazyness in English too, and >>>> they're so freaking cute... :) >> >>> Same in German: The german “Faultier” means “lazy animal”. >> >> russian too, if that matter. i was really amazed by this idea. >> pure, lazy and fun! :) > > Same in french : 'paresseux' just means lazy. > > Thu

In Swedish it translates to "late walker" (?) and in Turkish it's "lazy animal".

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Meaning is same in Finnish, "laiskiainen", where "laiska" translates to "lazy".

Hello Jon, Thursday, March 12, 2009, 12:49:35 PM, you wrote:

I think using it as a mascot is a bad idea: "Haskell is so slow, they even chose a sloth as the mascot".

and it will be absolute truth :) -- Best regards, Bulat mailto:Bulat.Ziganshin@gmail.com

I agree that looking for a mascot that is inspired by "laziness" is a bad idea from a P.R. perspective (I am tired of people walking out the room when I give Haskell talks to general audiences and explain lazy evaluation). Perhaps this is just an indication of my dark and violent side, but choosing an animal with a killer instinct might be a better idea. A creature that would eat something small and furry as a mid afternoon snack How about a viper? http://viperfashion.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/5742_coiled_up_viper_snak... Cheers, Satnam -----Original Message----- From: haskell-cafe-bounces@haskell.org [mailto:haskell-cafe-bounces@haskell.org] On Behalf Of Jon Fairbairn Sent: 12 March 2009 09:50 To: haskell-cafe@haskell.org Subject: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Sugestion for a Haskell mascot Joe Fredette writes:

Hehe, I love it. Sloth is a synonym for Lazyness in English too, and they're so freaking cute... :)

I wouldn't say it was an exact synonym. Though the dictionary definitions are similar, sloth has a more negative connotation than laziness; the fourth deadly sin is called "sloth" rather than "laziness". I think using it as a mascot is a bad idea: "Haskell is so slow, they even chose a sloth as the mascot". -- Jón Fairbairn Jon.Fairbairn@cl.cam.ac.uk http://www.chaos.org.uk/~jf/Stuff-I-dont-want.html (updated 2009-01-31) _______________________________________________ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe

I thought evil dictators was covered by the Stalin Scheme implementation. (We can always discuss which is the worse name of Stalin and Bigloo.) I don't see why we need a mascot at all. We've managed so far without one. On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 10:12 AM, Bulat Ziganshin wrote:

Hello Satnam,

Thursday, March 12, 2009, 1:08:58 PM, you wrote:

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Perhaps this is just an indication of my dark and violent side, but choosing an animal with a killer instinct might be a better idea. A creature that would eat something small and furry as a mid afternoon snack

why not choose Hitler or Mao? this will clearly indicate our intentions :D

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"Deniz" == Deniz Dogan writes:

Deniz> 2009/3/12 Satnam Singh : >> I agree that looking for a mascot that is inspired by >> "laziness" is a bad idea from a P.R. perspective (I am tired of >> people walking out the room when I give Haskell talks to >> general audiences and explain lazy evaluation). >> >> Perhaps this is just an indication of my dark and violent side, >> but choosing an animal with a killer instinct might be a better >> idea. A creature that would eat something small and furry as a >> mid afternoon snack >> >> How about a viper? >> http://viperfashion.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/5742_coiled_up_viper_snak... Deniz> Python already uses a snake and it reminds me too much of Deniz> vi and viper-mode etc. If so many people are reluctant Deniz> towards the sloth, why don't we just go for the narwhal? Deniz> They're predators, they have built-in swords and they're Deniz> just bad ass in general. Then of course, there's the Deniz> downside that there's no connection to the language itself Deniz> in any way. Why not just dispense with a mascot? It's rather childish. New motto for Haskell: "Avoid mascots at all cost". -- Colin Adams Preston Lancashire

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Python already uses a snake and it reminds me too much of vi and viper-mode etc. If so many people are reluctant towards the sloth, why don't we just go for the narwhal? They're predators, they have built-in swords and they're just bad ass in general. Then of course, there's the downside that there's no connection to the language itself in any way.

Something wrong with the Hercules beetle, used on the cover of Real World Haskell? http://book.realworldhaskell.org/ This book is already creating an association between the Hercules beetle and Haskell, so it seems quite reasonable to continue down that path. Isn't that how Perl got its camel? Alistair ***************************************************************** Confidentiality Note: The information contained in this message, and any attachments, may contain confidential and/or privileged material. It is intended solely for the person(s) or entity to which it is addressed. Any review, retransmission, dissemination, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. *****************************************************************

Am Donnerstag, 12. März 2009 22:00 schrieb Martijn van Steenbergen:

Deniz Dogan wrote:

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Then of course, there's the downside that there's no connection to the language itself in any way.

I usually go for names that don't have to do anything with the application itself: GroteTrap (translates to GreatBustard), Yogurt, Custard... saves me from having to think of "appropriate" names. :-P

This is basically how I chose the name “Grapefruit” for “my” FRP library. Okay, it refers to Fruit (a FRP GUI library) but the only further meaning of “Grapefruit” is that I find Grapefruits to be tasty. :-) Often people choose meaningful names and convert them to acronyms, noone can pronounce. Best wishes, Wolfgang

On 12 Mar 2009, at 11:08 pm, Satnam Singh wrote:

I agree that looking for a mascot that is inspired by "laziness" is a bad idea from a P.R. perspective (I am tired of people walking out the room when I give Haskell talks to general audiences and explain lazy evaluation).

Perhaps we should call it "Just-In-Time evaluation. As for mascots, let's take a photo of Simon Peyton Jones, shrink him to hobbit size, give him furry feet, and announce that "here is one of the warm fuzzy things we have in mind when we use monads". (:-)

What about the "Rabbit of Caerbannog"[1]. Looks cute on first sight, but upon further investigation turns out to be a vicious killer. Useful to quench any rumors of Haskell being a toy language. "You just need to look a bit closer". [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbit_of_Caerbannog On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Sjur Gjøstein Karevoll wrote:

I've unconciously conditioned myself to think about rabbits with nukes each time I think about monads. "Warm fuzzy things" "launching the missiles" indeed.

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Hehe, I love it. Sloth is a synonym for Lazyness in English too, and they're so freaking cute... :)

I wouldn't say it was an exact synonym. Though the dictionary definitions are similar, sloth has a more negative connotation than laziness; the fourth deadly sin is called "sloth" rather than "laziness".

'Preguiça', the name in Portuguese, is also the name of that deadly sin. But then I would quote Brazilian writter Mário Quintana: "A preguiça é a mãe do progresso. Se o homem não tivesse preguiça de caminhar, não teria inventado a roda." [book: Na Volta da Esquina] My translation: "Sloth is the mother of progress. If not for the sloth of walking, mankind wouldn't have invented the wheel". Best, Maurício

I thought this was our unofficial mascot: http://www.haskell.org/sitewiki/images/8/85/NarleyYeeaaahh.jpg Available in plush form: http://www.amazon.com/Narwhal-Plush-Stuffed-Animal-Toy/dp/B0011DFUGE/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=toys-and-games&qid=1236716339&sr=1-3 YEEAAAAHH! mads_lindstroem:

Hi Maurí­cio

Great idea. I would love a toy one with a Lambda logo.

I found one on Amazon http://www.amazon.com/Plush-Sloth-Bear-Cuddlekin-12/dp/B000FBLP76 , but without the logo.

But we would of cause need one with Haskell logo printed upon it. I could not find a place with user-definable textile printing (if that is the right term in english) on plush sloth bears.

Greetings,

Mads

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Hi,

Here in Brazil we have a forest animal we name 'preguiça' -- literally, lazyness. What better mascot we could have for Haskell? It lives (and sleeps) in trees, and if you see the main picture in wikipedia articles you can easily imagine the tree branch beeing replaced by a lambda:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sloth

http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicho-pregui%C3%A7a

Best, Maurício

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On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 21:08:15 +0100, you wrote:

I found one on Amazon http://www.amazon.com/Plush-Sloth-Bear-Cuddlekin-12/dp/B000FBLP76 , but without the logo.

But we would of cause need one with Haskell logo printed upon it. I could not find a place with user-definable textile printing (if that is the right term in english) on plush sloth bears.

A sloth bear is a kind of bear, not a sloth. Amazon also has some sloth stuffed animals, too. If you get one that's reasonably large, then you can get a lambda-imprinted Cafe Press t-shirt in an infant size that would fit it. Steve Schafer Fenestra Technologies Corp. http://www.fenestra.com/