(This point, incidentally, raises a hobbyhorse of mine - Google didn't see the TMR haikus because they were in PDF.

How odd. Googling for "haskell haiku TMR" brings up that PDF as the first hit for me. Regards, Malcolm

2008/12/7 Gwern Branwen :

On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 12:50 PM, Malcolm Wallace wrote:

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(This point, incidentally, raises a hobbyhorse of mine - Google didn't see the TMR haikus because they were in PDF.

How odd. Googling for "haskell haiku TMR" brings up that PDF as the first hit for me.

Yes, but: 1) you could formulate that query only if you already knew TMR had haikus to look for. 2) The Google results are changing as we speak. I did another search for "Haskell haiku", and now I see, about 40 or 50 hits down, an email replying to a TMR ANN and praising the haikus. Further, I see this email thread, some mirrors, and the Haiku page on the wiki have popped up in the search results already, and in the top 20 or so. Further still: one high-up hit is an IRC log of #haskell, covering the haiku I found in lambdabot's @quotes database. I *know* that was not there when I was looking for haikus (before I wrote the page and started this thread).

Snow fails a pure quest. unsafeGoogle reference is not transparent. K. -- http://twitter.com/conradparker

It's proving remarkably hard to pin down just what a "Haiku" is supposed to be in English. Taking the 3-5-3 syllable pattern, how about Soft rain falls while Haskell infers all my types. (As it happens, soft rain _is_ falling right now.)

On 8 Dec 2008, at 3:06 pm, Thomas Davie wrote:

On 8 Dec 2008, at 03:02, Richard O'Keefe wrote:

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It's proving remarkably hard to pin down just what a "Haiku" is supposed to be in English. Taking the 3-5-3 syllable pattern, how about

Soft rain falls while Haskell infers all my types.

I always thought that Haikus had a seven five seven pattern, no?

No. (1) It's 5-7-5. (2) Those numbers are not SYLLABLE counts but MORA counts. (See the Wikipedia article on Haiku.) (3) According to http://www.ahapoetry.com/keirule.htm, "Today, many bilingual poets and translators in the mainstream North American haiku scene agree that something in the vicinity of 11 English syllables is a suitable approximation of 17 Japanese syllables, in order to convey about the same amount of information as well as the brevity and the fragmented quality found in Japanese haiku. As to the form, some American poets advocate writing in 3-5-3 syllables or 2-3-2 accented beats." There is also a Wikipedia article "Haiku in English", which states that "It is impossible to single out any current style or format or subject matter as definitive. Some of the more common practices in English are: * Use of three (or fewer) lines of 17 or fewer syllables; * Use of a season word (kigo); * Use of a cut or kireji (sometimes indicated by a punctuation mark) to contrast and compare, implicitly, two events, images, or situations. The average length of the haiku appearing in the main English-language journals is about 13 syllables; few have a symmetrical line arrangement such as 5-7-5 or 3-6-3. Instead, current haiku poets (haijin) are more concerned with their haiku being expressed in 'one breath' and the extent to which the two phrases focus on description ("showing" as opposed to "telling") and not on having a "correct" syllable count." The rain reference is my kigo, and 'while' is my kireji. I think. I also _think_ it fits the "one breath" criterion, but what do I know? In my room Haskell humbles me; Look, green leaves!