* I think collapsing instances by default is a great idea! +1 * Examples are already collapsed by default, and I think instances should be treated the same way. Re the concern that this would make the Servant docs worse, for me it would just be a matter of knowing to expand the instance docs when I'm interested in the corresponding class, the same way I expand the examples only where I'm interested. Here's an example of instance docs in Servant: http://hackage.haskell.org/package/servant-0.15/docs/Servant-API.html#t:From.... Until I'm interested in the FromHttpApiData class, I don't personally want to see that long list of instances with some examples. Also, in my experience, having lots of docs/examples on the instances like this is not very common. Here's an instance of examples being collapsed by default to good effect in the Prelude docs for Either: https://hackage.haskell.org/package/base-4.12.0.0/docs/Prelude.html#t:Either * Having a "collapse all/expand all" toggle at the top of the page would be nice, but if the default is not "collapsed" then I'd want a way to make that my personal default. I don't know much about web development, but my impression is that we could use a cookie and some simple JavaScript [1] to make "collapse by default" a per-user preference, say by remembering the last state of the hypothetical "collapse all/expand all" toggle button at the top. Haddock already uses JavaScript, so I expect this would be a small addition. Cheers, -nathan [1] https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/document/cookie On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 11:23 PM Oleg Grenrus wrote:

How about a compromise: show dozen or so instances with "show rest" link-toggle. That would work very nicely, if we could control which instances (e.g. instances with haddocks) should be shown.

E.g. in `servant` *a lot* of docs & examples are in instance haddocks, so making them hidden will make documentation strictly worse.

- Oleg

On 3 Jan 2019, at 7.50, Ryan Reich wrote:

I think this is a great idea. I do wonder, however, if it might exacerbate a kind of meta-documentation problem that I, at least, had when I was more of a beginner: it was not clear to me that most of a type's API is implicit in its instances of many standard classes, and specialized functions for things like mapping or folding or appending may not even be present in the rest of the module. Obviously this is something that every Haskeller needs to learn, but it was an issue for me even when the instance lists were present for me to gloss over.

Perhaps Haddock could, rather than establishing this as a new default, provide a "collapse all" and "expand all" set of functions at the top of the page?

On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 8:03 PM Li-yao Xia wrote:

...

Hello Café,

I would like to propose making haddock keep instance lists collapsed by default. Some discussion is in order since it would significantly affect the documentation of many packages on Hackage.

Feel free to reply here or on the related Github thread: https://github.com/haskell/haddock/issues/698

1. Instance lists take a lot of screen estate

For a motivating example, I can point to the Prelude we all love.

https://hackage.haskell.org/package/base-4.12.0.0/docs/Prelude.html

We are immediately welcomed by half a page of instances of Bool, which is not quite bad, but classes have the most impressive instance lists, as you may see when you reach Eq.

Many packages, even commonly used ones, have the same issue. For an extreme example, see the scrollbar jump when you fold the instance list of Apply in singletons.

https://hackage.haskell.org/package/singletons-2.5.1/docs/Data-Singletons.ht...

2. Current workarounds

They can be collapsed manually one by one, and we can jump to the middle of a module with the table of contents, but scrolling up from the bottom of an instance list is still a chore.

Of course, instance lists also contain quite important information. Would it become too easy to miss if it were hidden by default? Would a more fine-grained alternative be better?

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They're essential, but they're also at minimum an impediment to navigation and to some extent comprehension of a haddock. Arguably what we really need is a better way to present them, but until then collapsed by default is reasonable. On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 7:31 PM George Wilson wrote:

Type class instances are an essential part of a data type's API in Haskell so I'm against hiding them by default. A toggle to collapse all instance blocks on a page would be fine.

Cheers, George

On Fri, 4 Jan 2019 at 04:36, Nathan Collins wrote:

...

* I think collapsing instances by default is a great idea! +1

* Examples are already collapsed by default, and I think instances should be treated the same way.

Re the concern that this would make the Servant docs worse, for me it would just be a matter of knowing to expand the instance docs when I'm interested in the corresponding class, the same way I expand the examples only where I'm interested.

Here's an example of instance docs in Servant:

http://hackage.haskell.org/package/servant-0.15/docs/Servant-API.html#t:From... .

...

Until I'm interested in the FromHttpApiData class, I don't personally want to see that long list of instances with some examples. Also, in my experience, having lots of docs/examples on the instances like this is not very common.

Here's an instance of examples being collapsed by default to good effect in the Prelude docs for Either:

https://hackage.haskell.org/package/base-4.12.0.0/docs/Prelude.html#t:Either

...

* Having a "collapse all/expand all" toggle at the top of the page would be nice, but if the default is not "collapsed" then I'd want a way to make that my personal default.

I don't know much about web development, but my impression is that we could use a cookie and some simple JavaScript [1] to make "collapse by default" a per-user preference, say by remembering the last state of the hypothetical "collapse all/expand all" toggle button at the top. Haddock already uses JavaScript, so I expect this would be a small addition.

Cheers,

-nathan

[1] https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/document/cookie

On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 11:23 PM Oleg Grenrus

...

...

How about a compromise: show dozen or so instances with "show rest"

...

...

E.g. in `servant` *a lot* of docs & examples are in instance haddocks,

so making them hidden will make documentation strictly worse.

...

- Oleg

On 3 Jan 2019, at 7.50, Ryan Reich wrote:

I think this is a great idea. I do wonder, however, if it might

exacerbate a kind of meta-documentation problem that I, at least, had when I was more of a beginner: it was not clear to me that most of a type's API is implicit in its instances of many standard classes, and specialized functions for things like mapping or folding or appending may not even be

...

...

Perhaps Haddock could, rather than establishing this as a new default,

...

...

On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 8:03 PM Li-yao Xia wrote:

...

Hello Café,

I would like to propose making haddock keep instance lists collapsed

by

...

...

default. Some discussion is in order since it would significantly affect the documentation of many packages on Hackage.

Feel free to reply here or on the related Github thread: https://github.com/haskell/haddock/issues/698

1. Instance lists take a lot of screen estate

For a motivating example, I can point to the Prelude we all love.

https://hackage.haskell.org/package/base-4.12.0.0/docs/Prelude.html

We are immediately welcomed by half a page of instances of Bool, which is not quite bad, but classes have the most impressive instance lists, as you may see when you reach Eq.

Many packages, even commonly used ones, have the same issue. For an extreme example, see the scrollbar jump when you fold the instance

wrote: link-toggle. That would work very nicely, if we could control which instances (e.g. instances with haddocks) should be shown. present in the rest of the module. Obviously this is something that every Haskeller needs to learn, but it was an issue for me even when the instance lists were present for me to gloss over. provide a "collapse all" and "expand all" set of functions at the top of the page? list

...

...

...

of Apply in singletons.

https://hackage.haskell.org/package/singletons-2.5.1/docs/Data-Singletons.ht...

...

2. Current workarounds

They can be collapsed manually one by one, and we can jump to the

middle

...

of a module with the table of contents, but scrolling up from the bottom of an instance list is still a chore.

Of course, instance lists also contain quite important information. Would it become too easy to miss if it were hidden by default? Would a more fine-grained alternative be better?

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I like Chris' idea about inline list by default, with the ability to a) get the whole list in old format, b) hide the stuff completely. -- Best, Artem On Fri, 4 Jan 2019 at 03:50 Chris Smith wrote:

I'm sympathetic to the notion that instances are an important part of the API. On the other hand, it's hard to argue against how much more usable the documentation becomes when all the page-long instance lists are collapsed. I wonder if there's a compromise possible: in the collapsed form, the instance list could still show a list of the applicable class names, but all on one line instead of a page-long table. Then it's just a click away to get from there to the details (instance context, source link, etc.) that are shown now.

On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 7:31 PM George Wilson wrote:

...

Type class instances are an essential part of a data type's API in Haskell so I'm against hiding them by default. A toggle to collapse all instance blocks on a page would be fine.

Cheers, George

On Fri, 4 Jan 2019 at 04:36, Nathan Collins wrote:

...

* I think collapsing instances by default is a great idea! +1

* Examples are already collapsed by default, and I think instances should be treated the same way.

Re the concern that this would make the Servant docs worse, for me it would just be a matter of knowing to expand the instance docs when I'm interested in the corresponding class, the same way I expand the examples only where I'm interested.

Here's an example of instance docs in Servant:

http://hackage.haskell.org/package/servant-0.15/docs/Servant-API.html#t:From... .

...

Until I'm interested in the FromHttpApiData class, I don't personally want to see that long list of instances with some examples. Also, in my experience, having lots of docs/examples on the instances like this is not very common.

Here's an instance of examples being collapsed by default to good effect in the Prelude docs for Either:

https://hackage.haskell.org/package/base-4.12.0.0/docs/Prelude.html#t:Either

...

* Having a "collapse all/expand all" toggle at the top of the page would be nice, but if the default is not "collapsed" then I'd want a way to make that my personal default.

I don't know much about web development, but my impression is that we could use a cookie and some simple JavaScript [1] to make "collapse by default" a per-user preference, say by remembering the last state of the hypothetical "collapse all/expand all" toggle button at the top. Haddock already uses JavaScript, so I expect this would be a small addition.

Cheers,

-nathan

[1] https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/document/cookie

On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 11:23 PM Oleg Grenrus

...

...

How about a compromise: show dozen or so instances with "show rest"

...

...

E.g. in `servant` *a lot* of docs & examples are in instance

haddocks, so making them hidden will make documentation strictly worse.

...

- Oleg

On 3 Jan 2019, at 7.50, Ryan Reich wrote:

I think this is a great idea. I do wonder, however, if it might

exacerbate a kind of meta-documentation problem that I, at least, had when I was more of a beginner: it was not clear to me that most of a type's API is implicit in its instances of many standard classes, and specialized functions for things like mapping or folding or appending may not even be

...

...

Perhaps Haddock could, rather than establishing this as a new

default, provide a "collapse all" and "expand all" set of functions at the top of the page?

...

On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 8:03 PM Li-yao Xia wrote:

...

Hello Café,

I would like to propose making haddock keep instance lists collapsed

by

...

...

default. Some discussion is in order since it would significantly affect the documentation of many packages on Hackage.

Feel free to reply here or on the related Github thread: https://github.com/haskell/haddock/issues/698

1. Instance lists take a lot of screen estate

For a motivating example, I can point to the Prelude we all love.

https://hackage.haskell.org/package/base-4.12.0.0/docs/Prelude.html

We are immediately welcomed by half a page of instances of Bool, which is not quite bad, but classes have the most impressive instance

...

...

...

as you may see when you reach Eq.

Many packages, even commonly used ones, have the same issue. For an extreme example, see the scrollbar jump when you fold the instance

wrote: link-toggle. That would work very nicely, if we could control which instances (e.g. instances with haddocks) should be shown. present in the rest of the module. Obviously this is something that every Haskeller needs to learn, but it was an issue for me even when the instance lists were present for me to gloss over. lists, list

...

...

...

of Apply in singletons.

https://hackage.haskell.org/package/singletons-2.5.1/docs/Data-Singletons.ht...

...

2. Current workarounds

They can be collapsed manually one by one, and we can jump to the

middle

...

of a module with the table of contents, but scrolling up from the bottom of an instance list is still a chore.

Of course, instance lists also contain quite important information. Would it become too easy to miss if it were hidden by default? Would a more fine-grained alternative be better?

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