Who takes care of haskell.org? If it is the "community" we're obviously not doing it right, lots of broken links and some that is there but does not work (e.g. the wish-list). Only the "libraries and tools" page contains 16 broken links (according to linkchecker.sf.net) and some of the tools should in my opinion be marked clearly with "antique" so you do not get upset when they require ghc 2 to compile without problem... /Hampus - (I can't decide where it's best to post this...) -- Homepage: http://www.dtek.chalmers.se/~d00ram E-mail: d00ram@dtek.chalmers.se "Det är aldrig försent att ge upp"
Who takes care of haskell.org?
You. And that means not just Hampus, but all of us reading this. See also the bottom of haskell.org, or the latest of the regular calls for help by the current site maintainers, in last month's HC&AR (which is one project intended to help with this problem): http://haskell.cs.yale.edu/communities/05-2003/html/report.html#sect1.1 I assume you knew about all this, and the intent of your email was to send a wake-up call to all readers of this list before going on to doing your own bit (which can be as small as finding some specific out-of-date info, googling for the current link if any, and sending the diff to John and Olaf, or as big as taking charge of the part of haskell.org that most interests you and coming up with a system that makes maintenance easy;-). Good idea!-) Whenever anyone finds something odd about your haskell.org: just do something about it (preferably something that helps;-)! Cheers, Claus (who now wanders off to see whether there are any links to his own pages from haskell.org that would need updating!-)
If it is the "community" we're obviously not doing it right, lots of broken links and some that is there but does not work (e.g. the wish-list). Only the "libraries and tools" page contains 16 broken links (according to linkchecker.sf.net) and some of the tools should in my opinion be marked clearly with "antique" so you do not get upset when they require ghc 2 to compile without problem...
/Hampus - (I can't decide where it's best to post this...)
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.. doing your own bit (which can be as small as finding some specific out-of-date info, googling for the current link if any, and sending the diff to John and Olaf, or as big as taking charge of the part of haskell.org that most interests you and coming up with a system that makes maintenance easy;-). Good idea!-)
Whenever anyone finds something odd about your haskell.org: just do something about it (preferably something that helps;-)!
for illustration: following Hampus' email, I fed the libraries and tools url into http://validator.w3.org/checklink/ and found that most of the invalid links on that page pointed to parts of Jan Skibinski's former site (numeric-quest). Several of Jan's articles and programs have been quite popular (nice mix of quantum mechanics and practical tools, all with running commentary, not to mention his "Haskell Companion" project), so that subject has come up a few time on the mailing list. If we'd expect John and Olaf to monitor the dozens of Haskell-related mailing lists for haskell.org-related issues, and then to do "something" about them, they'd soon throw the towel - they aren't full-time admins. I admit to having made this naive assumption myself a few times.. So, this time round I instead downloaded the source of the webpage using wget, fixed up the numeric-quest links to go to the relevant parts of the Internet Archive (which is one of the places that saved the contents of Jan's site before that went down), added a few comments, and emailed the updated source to John and Olaf. This way, they only had to check the diff and the new links to see whether they were happy with the changes, and put the updated webpage online. All that happened within a day.. The difference is between something they can do in between their real jobs and something that will have to wait for "later", whenever that may be. Not the best system, but it works. Now, there are more links waiting for updates, even on that page, and especially the old stuff Hampus mentioned (ghc 2?-) needs some human looking into it. You don't have to fix everything at once to make a difference, but every one of you can make the site a little bit more consistent whenever you visit it - just as with Haskell implementations, libraries, and tools, bug reports are welcome, bug fixes even more so! Those of us who don't understand the innards of GHC&co. can still help in other ways, e.g., with the webpages. Over to you!-) Cheers, Claus
Hampus Ram wrote:
If it is the "community" we're obviously not doing it right, lots of broken links and some that is there but does not work (e.g. the wish-list). Only the "libraries and tools" page contains 16 broken links (according to linkchecker.sf.net) and some of the tools should in my opinion be marked clearly with "antique" so you do not get upset when they require ghc 2 to compile without problem...
Well, I will say that John and Olaf have taken care of my updates within a few hours. The Haskell Community Report lists what projects are active and what the status is. If you see a problem on the website, just metion it any someone will take care of it. -- Matthew Donadio (m.p.donadio@ieee.org)
In article <20030610201957.GA16028@persephone.dtek.chalmers.se>,
Hampus Ram
If it is the "community" we're obviously not doing it right, lots of broken links and some that is there but does not work (e.g. the wish-list).
I'm vaguely thinking of setting up a Haskell wish-list project on SourceForge. The idea is, people would contribute test-code for a given wish they have, and the test would succeed for any compiler that implemented the wish. -- Ashley Yakeley, Seattle WA
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